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The kind that thinks communism is the same as nazism and thinks communism is when the government does things.

I hate liberal brain worms.

They seriously do as much damage to the left as fascists by punching to the left and spreading capitalist anti-left propaganda. They overall weaken leftism and help fascism.

We need more left unity, folks. Fash ain't gonna bash themselves. left-unity-4

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[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Isn't it always funny that even the most ardent left-unity people only exclusively expect the anarchists to compromise?

Means cannot be disentangled from ends.

[–] ThisMachineKillsFascists@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think asking leftists to not punch left is asking for much of a compromise

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Asking anarchists to stop criticising statists and being against statism and vanguardism is big enough of a compromise that you're basically asking them to stop being anarchists.

But funnily enough, no left unity person, no matter how vehement, ever asks MLs to stop believing in or expressing their beliefs of anything. Because MLs think they are "the default leftism", and anarchism is a divergency. So then, left unity would be bringing the divergency back to line.

But even accepting that belief, that's not unity. That's assimilation. Unity would be finding a place in between the two. Which is impossible because means cannot be disentangled from ends. The "anti-sectarianism" of Hexbear is just as you show it is, "MLs, but anarchists can hang out if they shut up". They want anarchists to be useful idiots to them.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (16 children)

i'm no ML but anarchists should read the jakarta method.

anarchists should be able to see that cuba, china, vietnam, laos, and north korea are far preferable to american hegemony despite all their flaws, and that contextually an anarchist uprising in cuba would immediately cause the island to fall to imperialists. You don't have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.

i'm here for anarchism when the bigger threat of capitalism is gone or if anarchists can get something going in the imperial core but i don't see any examples of successful movement building comparable to the BPP.

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

your desperate desire to be "oppressed" online is embarrassing.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I never spoke about opression. I spoke about the dynamics of these kinds of spaces and what an ML that believes in "left unity" actually wants in practice, even if they're sincere and even if they're vehement about their beliefs in it.

[–] ThisMachineKillsFascists@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I was talking about the Reddit style libs that call themselves leftists and then proceed to call actual leftists evil authoritarian commie tankies, I've seen both anarchists and MLs be called tankies here by libs that stumble in.

Asking anarchists to stop criticising statists and being against statism and vanguardism is big enough of a compromise that you're basically asking them to stop being anarchists.

But funnily enough, no left unity person, no matter how vehement, ever asks MLs to stop believing in or expressing their beliefs of anything.

Anarchists are not allowed to shit on MLs here just as ML are not allowed to shit on anarchists. No one here is going to dogpile you or ban you for not wanting a state unless you shit in MLs in the process. Just as MLs are allowed to want a state as long as they don't shit on anarchists.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No one here is going to dogpile you or ban you for not wanting a state unless you shit in MLs in the process

Just read yourself. "No one is going to be mad at you for not wanting a state, unless you criticize those who want a state in the process". Even in your own words, it's exactly how I said. "You can believe in your little anarchisms, but shut the fuck up".

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Very funny that the post was about the "anti-tankie left" and you went "oh that's me that's me!"

LIB

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

99% of the people who use the term "tankie" are NOT anarchists

Principled and theoretical anarchists who organize get my respect, Social liberals with delusions of spontaneity get my scorn, just like any patsoc liberal who pretends to be a "communist"

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You don't get to define what is a "true anarchist" and what isn't, much less exclusively based off of if they use a word you don't like or not. I don't care about your respect, I am merely pointing out a dynamic that constantly happens in this community and those similar to it.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I mean I can literally define what an anarchist is because there's a historical and theoretical structure to anarchism and if it isn't followed you're simply not an anarchist

Anarchism isn't an ethnic group, it's a economic sociopolitical philosophy someone follows and 99% of people who use terms like "tankie" do not follow it

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[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Yes, if you see yourself as an anarcho-natoist, we're gonna need you to compromise on some of your principles. The people of Russia, even if you don't like them, don't deserve to be pillaged again by NATO.

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[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Hey folx, I have to move houses, will not have internet for a while, so I'mma disengage. Despite the usual smug and mocky tone, I thank you for actually engaging and not just banning me. I will leave with this:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-post-scarcity-anarchism-book#toc27

This chapter and the one after it are only slightly longer than On Authority. Read it if you are interested.