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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 123 points 1 year ago

Israel is partly to blame for supporting Hamas to undermine Fatah. And, of course, for the general tension caused by the occupation and blockade.

Simultaneously, Israeli civilians should not be the victims, and their blood remains on Hamas's hands.

Both things are true. Though I somehow doubt the Saudis and Iran are out here condemning the rise of Hamas.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I mean I doubt it would've even come this far if Israel would've quit killing Palestinian civilians.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, once Hamas was ascendant, I don't think even stopping the killing of Palestinian civilians would've prevented further terrorist attacks. Like, the last serious chance for peace in the near-future was when Fatah was the only game in town and willing to negotiate. That opportunity was wasted because the Israeli establishment thought they could play divide and conquer and squeeze a better deal out of the already-oppressed.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You make good points and I’m not disagreeing but just think about it for a second: what a huge change it would require for Israel to stop killing Palestinian children. It would take a massive and concerted effort, policy changes, deployment changes, and an amount of care and restraint the world has never seen.

I think it would change Israel 110% if they absolutely, positively had to stop killing children. Everything they do is fundamentally built around it. So really stopping it actually might change everything.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They didn’t know how good they had it with Fateh. But hey they fucked around and are finding out. Yassar Arafat is laughing in his grave.

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