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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I see, so we shouldn't get kids plastic surgery if they have a non-life threatening but ugly deformity because thinking your own body is wrong is completely internal and has nothing to do with how society thinks of you.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

I don't get what you're implying.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Your words:

In the other, your own body is wrong. This is completely internal, and that part of the problem has nothing to do with how society thinks about you – even if society’s opinion can of course make it worse.

Someone with a deformity thinks their own body is wrong. That is completely internal. How did society tell them that deformity is wrong? Actually- let's go with an easier one. Nose jobs. We allow teenage girls to get nose jobs when they feel their own body is wrong. That is completely internal too. And yet it's a very common practice that, unlike any sort of medical treatment for transgender kids, requires no psychological counseling whatsoever.

So you should be very, very against the harm that nose jobs cause to children. It could make what society thinks of them worse, right?

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Someone with a deformity thinks their own body is wrong. That is completely internal. How did society tell them that deformity is wrong?

If they genuinely think their body is wrong in relation to their thoughts, society has nothing to do with that discrepancy. They have a man's body (for instance), but they feel they should have a woman's body. That was exactly my point. Thinking this is the same thing as a nose job feels a bit insulting to their problems.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Again- you said thinking your body is wrong is completely internal. Therefore children should not ever get any form of plastic surgery unless it is life-threatening. This is your reasoning, except you're only applying it to trans kids.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

No, I did not say any of those things.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You implied those things based on your reasoning. I even showed you why.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I'm clearly not reaching you in describing this distinction, but that's my weakness, not yours.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, sorry, that doesn't become true just by repeating it over and over again.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, it's true because you haven't justified it.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The distinction is so trivially true that there's gotta be a huge communication failure here, and I'm sorry for my part in it. But I'll just go this way, you go that way.

this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
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