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Philip Morris lobbying to stop WHO ‘attack’ on vapes and similar products
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They are not to be believed. I'm shocked you fell for a Truth campaign, if that's what you're insinuating.
No one claims vaping is good for you, but there is very little evidence of the damage they may cause up until this point, and basically anything is better than smoking a cigarette.
There are a lot of issues we could discuss, such as how addictive they are, or how they're often owned by big tobacco rebranding themselves in deceitful ways, but the grandiose claims are overwhelmingly fabricated.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29467105/ so this study is bullshit? I know Truth likes to bend what the truth is, but there are several studies indicating the metal presence in many brands of vape products. Even the American Lung Association warns of it.
While I can't speak to this specific paper, I know that the methodologies of several of these kind of "studies" are horribly flawed. I know there was one that found that heavy metals were released by coils ... when the wattage was cranked up so high that no person would ever even be able to use the product that way. For non-vapers, if the wattage is too high, the cotton wick burns as well, and is impossible to inhale. The simple fact is that if the cotton wick isn't burning, there's no way the coil is getting hot enough to produce free metal vapors.
Remember when there was that rash of deaths? And nicotine vapes got the blame right away? Yeah, that was because some bathtub lab THC vape carts had vitamin E acetate in them. Remember when there was a lot of talk about popcorn lung? That was because of diacetyl, which is a butter flavor. Nobody has used it for a very long time.
I'm not trying to say that vaping is healthier than not vaping, but it is definitely safer than smoking tobacco. As a harm reduction method, it is a valuable tool.
Thank you for the knowledge and patience you've demonstrated, I agree with and appreciate everything you wrote.
Without access to the full paper, it's hard to say. The abstract only mentions how many products they tested, but not what those products were. There's no way of knowing if those products came from reputable manufacturers or if they were shady knock-off or low-quality products.
See the long reply to your comment. I've seen you around whenever I log on, and you're often loud and wrong. I've discovered it's a safe bet to go against most of what you say.
I'd rather take the word of actual established centers of study, like the ALA, over random people on the internet. But you do you.
In this study, they heated the coil to a very high temp that is not indicative of actual e cig usages.
Additionally, we use different metals for coils now. Instead deferring to stainless steel or ceramic heating elements which are not affected in the same way as this study indicates.
It's still not as bad as smoking but it is dangerous, especially with off brand or damaged vapes. If you don't regularly clean and inspect your vape you can end up getting terrible infections or some fairly toxic chemicals.
Vaping has also caused a spike in STDs which is fun.