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So my uncle just called me and we began talking about Palestine. He was claiming all the usual "anti-violence" points and such. Condemning both sides yadayada. Perpetuating the war propaganda about eating babies and shit. But then he began saying that the conflict is super complex and saying it's gone back millenia and that it's about religious land and stuff. I personally don't know much other than 1947 to now, and that seems to be a problem because I can't refute or agree with anything he was saying.

It's making me feel like I'm uneducated and shouldn't be supporting Palestine. He was saying that they both have legitimate claims to the land and many other things I can't quite remember.

He said that my argument that the Palestinians were being oppressed worse because they are dying at such a greater rate is the same as saying the South in the American Civil War were the oppressed because most people who died were in the south.

He's a very staunch catholic liberal but he delivers things pretty well and is older than me so I feel stupid around him lol. Basically I'm just kind of unsure about my position now? Do I not know enough? Can anyone validate or invalidate what he was saying or give an explanation and sources for what the history is?

I thought I knew enough but clearly not.

https://youtu.be/m19F4IHTVGc?si=tPm9RN5YhfWyoNJZ

He linked this video. Haven't watched it but he says it's unbiased. I don't necessarily believe that.

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[-] bubbalu@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

First of all, my guy says "following the call of god" accompanied by a picture of Jesus. Second of all, he says the patriarchs of the Israeli and Judean peoples were themselves settlers and not indigenous to the region. There is no consistent argument for why the Israeli (Israel/Zionists do not speak for Jewish people as a whole!) claim to Israel is more legitimate than the Palestinian if neither "originated" in the region.

Also implicitly mentioned in the video was that the populations of Historical Israel and Judea were not homogenously Jewish.

Just some grist for the mill. The key take away though is that Jewish people had not been the dominant ethnic group in the region in more than 2000s years whereas muslim and Arab peoples have been there continuously since the genesis of Islam.

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