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And to be honest, the problem is much deeper.
America was founded on racism and slavery. The belief that white people are superior to brown and black people sits very deep with many Americans.
The enthouisam of those Americans to see Palestinian children die in Gaza is just vile and disgusting.
I really hope that the more progressive and enlightened Americans can figure out how to get rid of it.
The real irony is many of those same folks are anti-Jewish in nearly every other context.
I thought a lot of this shit was settled already when I was a kid. Turns out it not only wasn't, but we've managed to roll some things backwards since then. I waffle between being sure we've got the critical mass to make lasting change now and beingg sure my great grandkids are going to be fighting and arguing over all these same issues.
As an American Jew, I've almost gotten used to antisemitism from the right. From being told to my face "the only thing Hitler did wrong was not finishing the job" to having public Jewish displays vandalized to literal Nazis marching in the street being referred to as "very fine people."
What has surprised me recently was the number of anti-semitic comments from the left. I'm fine with people criticizing Israel and pushing for better treatment of the Palestinian people. That's not antisemitism and I'd actually agree with them. However, I've seen people on the left celebrating the attack, making fun of babies being killed, and even claiming that an attack on an American temple and bakery are justified because they are "symbols of the Jewish/Zionist state."
I know many on the left aren't anti-semitic, but it just feels so frightening to be targeted from both sides of the aisle - especially for Israel's actions when I, as an American Jew, have zero control over what they do.
I can only empathize - I don't have a similar situation but I'm sure it's difficult and creates a feeling of unease.
Sorry!
I'm definitely on the side that feels Israel takes their reaction too far when things like this happen, but I can't justify blaming individual Israeli citizens for that, let alone US Jews. It's just a bad situation over there, and far too many people have what they think are fair reasons to justify their hatred.
Yep. It's not that conservatives give a shit about Jews; they very much don't. What they care about is Israel existing as a precondition for Armageddon so that they can get Raptured. In other words, they're psychopathic doomsday cultists and their support of Israel is purely selfish.
War is hell and Israel is teaching Palestine why it is.
Peace is also hell if you live in Palestine. Israel isn't teaching them anything they didn't already know.
Nothing that happens in this world matters if you're Hamas, so anything goes.
Israel is attacking Gaza, not Hamas.
And that's a pretty dumb caricature, too. People who don't care about the world become hermits or monks, not terrorists. Do you think Hamas is just evil for no reason? They obviously care a great deal about what happens in the world, and it's pretty obvious what their grievances are. I'm not excusing their actions, but I'm also not sympathetic to the people who've been running Israel, because Hamas is a problem they created through their own cruelty.
Oh no. They're evil because they have selected an extraordinarily evil set of religious beliefs as basis for their organization.
They can declare all the war they want. What they are actually doing is cowardly murder.
You're right. Unfortunately it wasn't Palestine that attacked Israel, it was Hamas.
That’s like saying Germany didn’t attack Poland, only the Nazis did.
Say, if Palestine is being ruled by someone they don’t like then doesn’t that mean Israel are the liberators?
Hamas is the ruling party of Palestine, or at least the Gaza Strip. Therefore Palestine, or Gaza Strip at least, attacked Israel.
Hamas was elected in a plurality, not a majority, in 2006. Since then, they've cancelled future elections. I don't think they should be recognized as Gaza's legitimate government until they run elections. The leaders of Hamas don't even live in Gaza - preferring to run things from the safety of another country as they funnel money away from the Palestinian people and towards their own pockets and weapons to kill Jews in Israel.
I'm not saying Hamas being deposed would fix the issues in the Middle East. That situation is such a twisted knot that no one thing will solve it. However, the Palestinian people need to be able to hold elections and decide for themselves whether or not Hamas will continue to lead them.
If Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinians then does that mean Israel are the Liberators from their unwanted rulers?
I wouldn't put it that way at all. I'm sure the Palestinian people don't see the Israeli military as liberators and the Israeli government/military don't see themselves in this role. It would definitely be good for the Palestinians in the long term if they were given the right to vote back, though.
Palestinians deposing Hamas would fix their worst issues at least. But we all know they're not going to do that.
... And have been for over 60 years while they occupy their land.
Forgot that part. No biggie though, sure it was an honest mistake.