769
Boebert Spent Campaign Cash at Bar That Hosts Drag Shows
(www.rollingstone.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2023
769 points (97.8% liked)
politics
18114 readers
3649 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I’m reading this book called Conservatize Me by an NPR/McSweeny writer from back in 2006. Ignore the title, remember everybody was doing that kind of stuff after Super Size Me.
Anyway, for a month he had to stick to only “conservative culture.” He could only watch conservative news shows, listen to AM radio, etc. He met with folks at New Republic and the first thing guy said to him was “you have to ignore hypocrisy, liberals care about that. It’s just a distraction.”
Almost 20 years ago, and here is this dude just openly saying what we all kind of know. Not that liberals are somehow better and always consistent. But we really do obsess over it, and this guy is sitting here telling him “it is a waste of time to play that game, and conservatives are almost fueled by it.”
I agree that Boebert is a hypocrite. But they don’t care. This stuff just reads as “slander by the media” to them. No one had their mind changed about Boebert. We have to focus on their bad policies and leadership or their voters aren’t going to be swayed.
The reason they like to point out the “hypocrisy of the left” so much is because it makes them feel like they have the moral highground, and because they know the left cares about it. It’s a cudgel, it’s a tool. It’s not a shared value. Google “learjet liberal” and take a look at the results from the 2000’s/2010’s. It’s the same nonsense today.
My interpretation is that they don't see it as hypocrisy. They don't judge actions, they judge people, so the same actions they would condemn others for when done by the "right" people are fine. It's almost a tautology; good people do good things, because if they weren't good people then those things would be bad.
Add in a heap of "good people are people that do things like me" and you have the whole conservative hierarchy in a nutshell.
They don't care about internal consistency. Or truth. They care about effect.
Sartre had a quote about this
Because they know very well that their only actual political stance is to get all the power by any means necessary.
I think it’s very easy to boil these things down into very simplistic world views like this, but there actually is more to it. In the book, a lot of them go “I am a conservative, I do not like what the Republican Party is doing.“ this allows them to mentally insulate themselves from some of the more detestable or harder to defend decisions the party makes. Is it just an excuse? Sure. If you vote for that party, you’re responsible for all of their actions. You need to be able to critique them or they won’t stop. But the mentality isn’t simply “I want power.” I’m sure plenty of politicians in their seats, think roughly along those lines, but not the average voter.
And honestly, this makes sense! I am passionate about how we treat people trying to enter the country. Obama and Biden have not done a great job of it, but what am I going to do? Vote Republican? The group that calls them invaders and wants to put up a massive wall? Of course not! So I critique the way they are handling the border and I still vote Democrat. But I’m still culpable for the actions of the Democrats because I pulled that lever when I voted. I don’t try to logic my way around it or separate my voting for them from policy.
Have you ever talked to many conservatives? Because I have the misfortune of having many in my family. There's nuanced "I don't agree with everything this one party does" and then there's "it doesn't matter what this party does, I'll never vote for anyone else"
That latter line of thinking is 100% just "I want my team to win at any cost no matter what they're actually doing" and it's very common amongst conservatives.
I am surrounded by them lol I live in Louisiana dude.
I think transphobia will have an effect here. It's one thing to be a hypocrite, it's another to support a queer bar and date someone who owns a queer bar.
It's not going to cause the GOP to name and shame her, but it will reduce campaign donations as well as voter turnout.
IMHO anyway.
Sadly, I think this will affect her more than the groping and vaping in front of children. In the minds of the GOP that's the lesser of the two evils. Supporting transpeople on the other hand, goes against their whole fascist/hate fueled agenda, and I think it will show come election season.