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submitted 11 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Highlights: In a bizarre turn of events last month, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced that he would ban American XL bullies, a type of pit bull-shaped dog that had recently been implicated in a number of violent and sometimes deadly attacks.

XL bullies are perceived to be dangerous — but is that really rooted in reality?

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[-] Forester@yiffit.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not trying to nitpick and start an argument with you but the guy you're replying to has conflated two very different things. Likelihood to bite and ability to damage with bite. You are most likely to be bitten by a Labrador retriever. You are most likely to be fucked up by a Pitbull. I will not deny that pit bulls have the ability to fuck you up. Just like I won't deny the ability of a German Shepherd to rip a fist-sized chunk out of your leg.

Furthermore he is pretending to quote with a sense of authority however reading his own linked article will disprove his claim. The number one identified breed with the ability to cause damage was "unidentified". The article claims the number two breed was "Pit Bull" which is not a singular breed and encompasses many subreads. The third was "mixed" fourth was German Shepherd.

I have owned many pits over the years. We currently own one that is 25 percent husky and 75 percent pitt that looks nothing like a pit he came out looking like a hound everybody loves him always asked to come up and pet. At the same time they are afraid and scared of our smaller mutt dog with a blocky head and call it a pit, but he's just a mix of retrekver shepherd and terrier.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I do alot of work and give a fair amount of donations to a animal rescue facility that fits thru about 400 dogs per year. Pit bulls have without question been the most likely to be aggressive out of all the dogs that file thru. We get many other aggressive dogs but the pits are the only ones that stand out.

This may be due to their strength or due to the above average likelihood of them being raised in aggressive environments. There are also nice pits but regardless I am completely against breeding them and more so, there is no logical argument to be made breed them.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I wonder if it could be do to unconscious racial bias? I'm aware of research that shows people disproportionately associate pitbull ownership with black culture, and of research that shows white and black toddlers each view black toddlers as inferior.

There's definitely a selection bias: you work at a place that handles neglected, abused, or unwanted dogs, and bully dogs are very popular. The selection of dogs you see doesn't include those that already live in forever homes, where they will die of old age without ever being anything but a loyal and trusted family member. Also, I bet that if you tested the DNA of 50 dogs you visually identified as being pitbulls, maybe half of them are not actually pitbulls.

"There's no logical argument to be made to breed them."

I find this rhetoric extremely dangerous. This is what eugenicists say. It's what the most delusional racists say.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I didn't read the article the commenter linked, just OPs link, and it's the same thing that happens with many different "let's ban this arguments." People get swept up and hyped on common sentiment fear, and find any "article" that supports their viewpoint, because their opinion is now a popular opinion, therefore they're right.

I do think that there are some breeds where caution is needed, but much of that ties back into people having certain breeds that aren't right for them. Pits are high energy dogs that require a lot of exercise, and when they don't get that exercise, they do dumb shit. Similarly, a 125 pound person probably shouldn't be walking a 100 pound dog of any breed, as an owner needs to be able to control their animal if something happens.

I have a Staffador (Staffordshire mixed with chocolate lab). She is extremely high energy, can jump a good 4' in the air, and loves to play bite/wrestle. It's been a long road getting her jumping and aggressive behavior under control, but you're more likely to get properly bit by our plotthound with PTSD.

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