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6 years ago, they're both better on this now and at least Ethan has recently admitted that he can learn more and wants to improve his empathy for Palestinians. They are both libs that's true but they're curious and they're empathetic and they're trying. I think it's unproductive to continue bringing up past comments from times when they weren't as aware of their own indoctrination
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the 'this' that I was saying they are better on is that (i think) they both no longer consider all palestinians to be terrorists which is whats implied by calling ramallah a terrorist city. Ethan definitely still has a problem with seeing hamas as fighting for the freedom of palestine and not being brutal terrorists. I think that he was traumatized by the attack on israeli territory just like a lot of israelis were and he has had a hard time coming to grips with where he sees people standing on that attack but he hasn't let that emotion turn to support for what the state of israel is doing now and I know thats not good enough but for a normie its progress
im gonna be real with you chief, ethan is literally just a drug dealer who ended up becoming a youtube celeb he isnt worth following this closely or attatching this level of meaning to his actions
hes telling random men called mohammad they should be killed just for posting on social media, who ever he is he is unhinged
I've never seen his twitter till you posted it
thats fair, im more getting at trying to rationalize a celebs perspective or such; its really not that important at the end of the day, american liberals gonna be wildin'
They do be wildin
nothing that Ethan has said recently has convinced me that he isn't a zionist. Read my other comment
Hila compared this to the holocaust. Do you agree with that assessment? She said it feels like the holocaust again.
when did Hila compare it to the holocaust? I didn't see a link for that on your substack
It happened after I posted that, I need to write a new article with all of the new nonsense they've said. I wrote it before the Leftovers episode, which is where Hila said it.
https://youtu.be/JFznOHunD_c?t=2604
"a reminder the Holocaust wasn't that long ago and every every year on Holocaust day the thing they tell you is never forget you always have to tell the stories to everybody about what happened at the Holocaust and I it's always like something taken for granted for me you just grow up and you're like yeah Holocaust day you know it happened we all get it but what happened this time is really scary and it it really does bring up this topic"
https://youtu.be/JFznOHunD_c?t=2701
"it's important to empathize with how a Jewish person or specifically an Israeli might feel hearing these phone calls there are kids that survived because they were laying under their dead parents bodies and they laid there for hours the whole day and that's how they survived and the last time we heard stories like that was at the Holocaust"
The last time I heard a story like that it was about American school children.
I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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the second quote is I think just her commenting on how she and other israelis reacted to the type of news they were hearing on october 7th which was probably largely shaped by zionist media, they probably highlighted any holocaust comparison they could make and it worked to create the reaction they wanted, you're just hearing her mention that reaction here. The first quote is bad and I do think its wrong to compare october 7th to the holocaust I just think she (and a lot of other israelis, she didn't come up with this analysis she's just repeating what she's probably heard) sees/hears about israeli jewish non-military getting killed in their own community and instantly thinks of the holocaust because that historical example has been drilled into every israeli's head.
I don't disagree with any of your criticisms of the 2, they are terminal libs but they're also just normies who don't know much about politics and assume that most of what they've been taught is true. I think they've both shown a capacity to reflect and change though and I like that quality in people.
I just don't like how you're giving her the benefit of the doubt. If she's being influenced by zionist media, that means she is now parroting it to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the podcast. I'm not ok with that.
That reactionary thought should be brutally crushed
I guess I'm giving them a pass because they seemed to be emotionally affected by the attacks on Israelis in their homes because it was truly unprecedented but they haven't let that emotion turn into support for the Israeli retaliation, unlike a lot of other libs who turned into genocide fans right away. So just slightly better than the typical lib but yeah maybe not worth giving the benefit of the doubt. Either way they need reeducation
Once again, I disagree. Ethan is parroting Israeli state propaganda like the beheaded babies and the pink blood. He got so mad about most of his chat saying the pink blood was fake that he turned chat off to create an echo-chamber.
Hila denied that the IDF tortures Palestinians on a daily basis, even though she previously volunteered to go on a night raid to steal Palestinians from their homes.
Ethan tried to do a 'gotcha' on Hasan about IDF raping Palestinians. He doesn't believe it's happening.