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HRW put out a new report fearmongering about the 'closing of north Korea' and as with all HRW reports about AES states, it's chock full of CIA funded nonsense.

I know most comrades know about Radio Free Asia and how it was started by the CIA to propagandize against America's enemies, but not enough know about DailyNK. It's funded by the National Endowment for Democracy ('funded' might be putting it lightly, their press kit states that without the NED they couldn't exist). The NED is a CIA cutout as admitted by both of its founders:

In 1986, NED's President Carl Gershman said that the NED was created because "It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the CIA. We saw that in the 1960s and that's why it has been discontinued".[71] Throughout the course of a 2010 investigation by ProPublica, Paul Steiger, the then editor in chief of the publication said that "those who spearheaded creation of NED have long acknowledged it was part of an effort to move from covert to overt efforts to foster democracy" and cited as evidence a 1991 interview in which then-NED president Allen Weinstein said, "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."[15]

See also: GrayZone grilling the current VP of the NED

If you get the PDF version of this HRW report, you can search the whole thing including the footnotes for 'Daily NK'. 57 results. There's also 8 hits for Radio Free Asia, of course. Just like Radio Free Asia, DailyNK exclusively uses anonymous, almost certainly non-existent sources. Here's an example, the first DailyNK citation in the report (emphasis mine):

Around 200 North Korean soldiers from several branches of the military have died from symptoms that may have been caused by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), Daily NK has learned.

A Daily NK source inside North Korea’s military reported on Mar. 6 that the military’s medical corps had sent a report detailing the impact of COVID-19 on the country’s soldiers to military leaders.

Every. Single. DailyNK article is like this, just like every single RFA article. They're CIA backed/funded organizations that exclusively use anonymous sources, yet Human Rights Watch and other orgs, along with all of western media, seems fine with citing them for the majority of their DPRK coverage.

The crux of this HRW report is literally based on a mistranslation that was first reported by RFA and then further spread by DailyNK. They purposely mistranslated a word, resulting in them lying about the DPRK issuing orders for soldiers monitoring the border to shoot dead anyone on sight. What they actually ordered, is for warning shots to be fired before switching to live ammunition if absolutely necessary. Here's a good article debunking their nonsense.

The HRW report also draws on the 2014 UN Commission of Inquiry about the DPRK, which is widely cited despite it being based on an admitted liar's testimony, along with testimony from a few western stooges from CIA funded think tanks. Here's the first day of hearings, you can see that the first speaker, the star witness, if you will, is Shin Dong-Hyuk. He's the subject of this Guardian article about how he recanted most of his story. That article is from 8 years ago. We've known that the star speaker for this COI is an admitted liar for 8 years, and HRW still cited it.

If you look at day 2 of the Washington DC hearings, you'll see Victor Cha, who is a former advisor to George W. Bush and now works for CSIS, which is funded by a smattering of American corporations and defense contractors and various governments that are hostile to the DPRK, including, of course, the US. CSIS spread tons of propaganda about the PRC and the DPRK.

You'll also see Marcus Noland and Andrew Natsios at that Washington hearing, both of which also work for organizations with similar funding to CSIS.

Yea... it's CIA nonsense all the way down.

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[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It happened after I posted that, I need to write a new article with all of the new nonsense they've said. I wrote it before the Leftovers episode, which is where Hila said it.

https://youtu.be/JFznOHunD_c?t=2604

"a reminder the Holocaust wasn't that long ago and every every year on Holocaust day the thing they tell you is never forget you always have to tell the stories to everybody about what happened at the Holocaust and I it's always like something taken for granted for me you just grow up and you're like yeah Holocaust day you know it happened we all get it but what happened this time is really scary and it it really does bring up this topic"

https://youtu.be/JFznOHunD_c?t=2701

"it's important to empathize with how a Jewish person or specifically an Israeli might feel hearing these phone calls there are kids that survived because they were laying under their dead parents bodies and they laid there for hours the whole day and that's how they survived and the last time we heard stories like that was at the Holocaust"

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

nothing that Ethan has said recently has convinced me that he isn't a zionist. Read my other comment

Hila compared this to the holocaust. Do you agree with that assessment? She said it feels like the holocaust again.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 9 months ago

no, they always deflect saying 'it's mandatory'. They scoffed at the idea that a pacifist should refuse service and face jailtime.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 9 months ago

well what definitely wasn't mandatory was for her to volunteer to raid what her and Ethan called a 'terrorist town' to steal Palestinian children in the middle of the night. But she did, because she was 'bored'.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago

I also found it particularly disgusting that he had to change 'Free Palestine' to 'Go Palestine' to try to bolster his shitty point. He did it multiple times in the Leftovers episode.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yea... those questions make no sense to ask Palestinians because they are the victims. Israel is the one that has established an ethnostate, kept Gazans in a concentration camp and is genociding them. It's absolutely wild that you find equivalency in asking Palestinians to condemn Hamas and asking Israelis to condemn Israel. Hila served in the IDF and voluntarily joined a raid on Palestinian homes.

You and Ethan are perfect for each other, it seems. Disgusting zionist.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've watched H3 since the .exe days, if you know what that is. Literally over 10 years. This is the final straw, I don't fuck around with zionism and defense of the apartheid ethnostate of Israel.

Care to actually address any of my many arguments? Did you read my substack? This response is utterly fucking useless.

If Ethan gave a shit about illegal West Bank settlements why won't he address the video where he called a Palestinian city a 'terrorist city' and why hasn't Hila apologized for bragging about being so bored that she helped the IDF kidnap Palestinians?

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yea... I've been watching every single second of their coverage of this conflict, and I have NO FUCKING IDEA why you would defend this lib.

Ethan has CONSTANTLY been talking about things only from the Israeli perspective, even while almost 3000 Palestinians including over 700 children have been slaughtered by his country. He routinely perpetuates Israeli state propaganda, including scolding his chat(and turning it off) for DARING to question the pink blood picture that the Israel twitter account released. He refuses to question propaganda like the 'beheaded babies' nonsense

Hila has compared the Hamas freedom fighters to NAZIS IN THE HOLOCAUST. She brought up anti-semitism when this situation has literally nothing to do with that. She's putting out weird israeli persecution complex drawings that show Hamas shooting babies in strollers. She's a fucking zionist, through and through.

In that Leftovers episode you posted, Ethan finally pretended to admit that Palestinians have no one in the world protecting them, and then proceeds to try to 'gotcha' Hasan multiple times by trying to get him to condemn random tweets, including a video of a PALESTINIAN REFUGEE, who simply called Hamas freedom fighters. She was kicked out of her country, and he needs everyone to condemn her words. He finished the episode by bringing up a Hasan clip where he said the IDF routinely rapes Palestinians, and tried to gotcha him again by DENYING THAT THE IDF RAPES PALESTINIANS. He used ChatGPT as he always fucking does to do his 'research', and apparently could only find one single source for IDF rapes, which he denounced because the specific link he had contained no sources. The organization was CAIR, which is very reputable, and his crew member AB's dad WORKS FOR THEM. He sat there denouncing the crimes of the IDF and denouncing a human rights organization that his muslim employee's dad works for. It's fucking gross.

Why hasn't Ethan or Hila apologized for this podcast, where she admits she helped steal Palestinians from their home in a 'terrorist city' BECAUSE SHE WAS BORED???

Stop defending lib zionists. Grow up.

EDIT: also, read this: https://millennialchaos.substack.com/p/if-you-dont-uncritically-support There's more shit that I didn't even mention here, like Hila denying that Israel persecutes Palestinians daily.

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 9 months ago

I'm permanently banned from reddit, but try posting about this on their subreddit. Watch how fast they delete it.

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Hila Klein served in the IDF, she told a story on their podcast in 2017 about how she was bored working at a desk for the IDF so she tagged along on a raid to a 'terrorist city', Ramallah. She reveals that the raids were happening nightly, and they were indeed stealing Palestinians from their homes.

Ramallah is the capital of Palestine, in the West Bank. It is considered to be the most affluent, cultural, and liberal city in Palestine. It has monuments to Yasser Arafat and Nelson Mandela.

These two are zionists, through and through. Do not believe their lies when they say they support Palestine.

See what one of these raids would be like:

https://www.tiktok.com/@millennial.chaos/video/7290695185061727494 https://www.tiktok.com/@millennial.chaos/video/7290812081798974726

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago

and libs supported the aggressors in that situation as well, of course

[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 9 months ago

I think it's useful to point out hypocrisy. Supporting both Ukraine and Israel is nonsensical. Palestine is infinitely worse off than Ukrainians, who don't live under apartheid and had at least some sovereignty (aside from their US masters). Palestinians have none. Yet liberals still will support the fascist ethnostate over the brown people.

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One of the more egregious Guardian articles that I've read, for sure.

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[-] millennialchaos@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 11 months ago

I did an in-depth 'debunk' of this study.

I want to highlight the most egregious part of it, to me at least. Here's an excerpt from my article:

As we find later in Section 5.4, tankies have the most proportion of posts with high identity attack against Jews in the far-left community.

??? Let’s pull up that section quickly:

The Perspective API [92] is a widely used [9, 12, 26] tool for measuring toxicity. Although it has limitations, e.g., there are issues of bias and questions of performance when encountering conversation patterns that it was not trained on, at scale it provides a decent measure for comparison between online communities.

They used an API tool to analyze comments on the tankie subreddits. They specifically mention that it has limitations if it wasn’t trained on certain conversation patterns. The Perspective website doesn’t mention it being trained on Reddit comments or comments in leftist communities. This is junk science, of course.

Finally, we observe that tankies frequently target Muslims and Jews in their posts.

I’m not about to dig too deep into the way this API determines what constitutes an Identity Attack, since this study doesn’t even attempt to elaborate on it, but I’m going to assume that if it detects ‘hateful words’ in the same comment as a ‘named entity’ like Jew or Muslim, it just assumes the comment is attacking that entity.

Here’s the problem. A comment like this:

“Zionists are pieces of shit for assuming all Jews support Israel”

or this:

“Implying that the US gives a fuck about Muslims when they criticize China is delusional”

would likely be considered by this bot to be an attack against Jews or Muslims. Curiously, this report doesn’t provide a single shred of evidence of these attacks on Jews or Muslims. But, in the ‘C.1 Qualitative Validation’ section, they do give some examples of the toxic comments that this bot identified. Not a single one is specifically about Jews or Muslims.

Here’s two examples:

To me, boarding schools serve as schools for potential terrorists, and China’s approach seems more humane than the US’s

and

Zionism equates to Fascism.

Neither comment is an Identity Attack against Muslims or Jews. The first is talking specifically about the small portion of Uyghurs that China has identified as being radicalized, not all Muslims. The second is about Zionism, which as this study pointed out, does not mean all Jews. Neither one contains the word ‘Jew’, or ‘Muslim’, anyway.

Hmm, I wonder why they omitted that. Because the truth doesn’t fit the ‘tankie bad’ narrative they are pushing? This is research misconduct, pure and simple, and this singular example of evidentiary omission should cause any non-tankies reading this study to dismiss it in its entirety. But of course, it won’t.

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Someone Made A Study About Reddit Tankies (millennialchaos.substack.com)

This is about the study that is currently pinned to the top of lemmygrad. I went a bit more in depth.

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BBC on Hanawon VS. BBC on Xinjiang (millennialchaos.substack.com)
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Canada does not care about Uyghurs, they want to take work away from them

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