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The crackup in the House GOP has gotten so bad that some Republicans are now asking Democrats for help in electing a speaker. So far, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the current favorite among the right, hasn’t gotten anywhere close to the 217 votes he needs to secure the job.

With Republicans fractured and in need of saving, what should happen is that a few vulnerable members (such as those representing districts Joe Biden won in 2020) join Democrats in supporting Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), for the position. But that’s unlikely, because any Republicans who dare to do this would see their careers implode.

The next best thing, then, is a deal that both sides can accept. Republicans will have to offer meaningful concessions to Democrats to have any hope of getting their support for a consensus, relatively moderate GOP speaker.

At an absolute minimum, a compromise would tackle the core problem: That a few extreme members can propel the House into total meltdown, rendering it ungovernable. Several high-profile, non-MAGA Republicans, such as Reps. Mike D. Rogers (Ala.) and María Elvira Salazar (Fla.), have publicly called on Democrats to specify what they would need to throw the GOP a lifeline — and Democrats have several ideas in mind.

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[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago

You're correct. Democrats are not responsible for cleaning up this mess. But unlike Republicans, Democrats have a vested interest in a functioning government and serving the people. That's not happening while Republicans are milling about trying to grab power for themselves. Democrats can use their infighting against them to force some concessions that would restore the House to some semblance of functionality and resume the business of government.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago

You know why Jim Jordon didn't get enough votes? Why he has never passed a piece of legislation in his 16 years in the House of Representative? You’re getting a real time explanation by watching his campaign to become speaker. He can't build a coalition. His idea of soft power is twisting arms. Most House Democrats will tell you that they are ready to work with Republicans, no Republicans respond. Takes two to tango.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

This has been the problem with Republicans for the last 30 years or so:

"WE'RE THE MINORITY PARTY! You have to do it OUR way or YOU'RE not being 'BIPARTISAN!'"

"WE'RE THE MAJORITY PARTY! You have to do it OUR way! Elections mean things!"

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

All thanks to that festering cunt Newt Gingrich.

That fat, adulterous asshole started us down the path of extreme partisanship. The world will be a better place when he dies.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

The article has some valid points about Dem options, but how can the Dems expect the Magats to act in good faith? As some shitty ex-president said,"Fool me once..."

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think the only way to get a good faith promise out of the Republicans is to insist on a Speaker of the Dem's choice. Could be a Moderate Republican or a Moderate Democrat. But it has to be somebody who has a history of reaching across the aisle and keeping promises. With how the GOP of late has acted, I can't think of a single candidate on the R side of the Aisle.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

They don't reach out to the MAGAts. They reach out to the ones voting against Gym and Scalise. The ones like McCarthy who are willing to cut a deal with Democrats in order to do their jobs instead of simply trolling the nation in the name of their Anointed One/God Emperor.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Choosing country over party doesn't really work out for them very well.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

They're getting paid more than the vast majority of Americans. So I'm thinking it's working out pretty well, unfortunately.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Not the ones who chose country over party. They quickly get the boot.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

But unlike Republicans, Democrats have a vested interest in a functioning government and serving the people. That’s not happening while Republicans are milling about trying to grab power for themselves.

Getting some concessions that the Republican majority would almost certainly reneg on would be both a tactical and strategic failure. A functioning government that serves the people is one with far fewer Republicans in it.

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the concessions. A Moderate Democrat as Speaker would be one hell of a concession....

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one -4 points 1 year ago

Agreed, but that's our responsibility. House Democrats can't do anything about that until we get out the votes.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

It's too late. The Republican majority in the House is going to fuck everything up, with or without a Speaker. Democrats should not be party to that. Republicans in government will move us all from democracy to open government-supported fascism. Appeasement doesn't work against fascism. Cooperation doesn't work against fascism. Appeasement and cooperation only make a person complicit in the outcome.

It's going to get much worse than it already is, but we can't go back the way we came. The only way out is through.

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