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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 31 points 10 months ago

Can this be done with an act of congress or does it take a constitutional amendment?

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 30 points 10 months ago

There's nothing that says it can't be done. But I'm sure SCOTUS will have something to say should a case make it to them.

Constitutional amendment would be the best way. Not sure if it would be easier via Congress or State Legislatures given the implosion on Capitol Hill.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

I can completely imagine the SCOTUS, especially the current SCOTUS, taking any law passed by the legislature and saying "Yeah that's unconstitutional" with the power to destroy all laws they unilaterally granted themselves.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

So much for "checks and balances" on the actual Supreme Court.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 6 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure that the only check on SCOTUS has always been "just trust them, bro".

Frankly it reflects very poorly on the public debate that there hasn't been any major debates about actually doing something about that for almost 250 years, grumbling about specific decisions not really counting..

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 5 points 10 months ago

No, the Constitution says, "The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office." in Article 3 and in Article 1 "The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

It could be said that Congress is mandated to pass a law defining Good Behavior, so that the judicial branch can execute its powers as defined in the constitution.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

There has been debate on this actually. I can't find it because all search results are returning articles about current trust, but there was a period in history of very low trust in the court. This almost lead to some major changes, but they managed to rehabilitate their image by not being total villains. I want to say this was surrounding civil rights stuff, but I can't exactly recall.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

They can be impeached by the legislature.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but we already know how that would work out..

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Only because half of the legislature is also corrupt. It is a check on the power of the judicial beanch.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 10 months ago

Half? Please, there's maybe a dozen senators and representatives combined that DON'T accept legal bribes 🙄

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's a great question. I think the short answer is that while it may technically be possible through legislation there will most certainly be immediate and then ongoing constitutional challenges.

The best way to implement this would absolutely be through a constitutional ammendment so as to set an incredibly high bar in order to undo these changes. However, accomplishing that seems unlikely given the gridlock that defines congress in the modern era.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, the most realistic (but still extremely unrealistic) way of achieving it would be a constitutional convention.

Besides it beingunrealisticto even make it happen, that would be a horrible idea though, since there being little to no framework about exactly how it would work, which means that unscrupulous politicians (*cough& Republicans cough) could potentially add or remove several other amendments.

All that to say that this is probably the most effective method currently available. As a bonus, the SCOTUS overruling it would probably cause such an uproar that Congress would attempt to introduce a new way that CAN'T be blocked but doesn't require changing the constitution.

[-] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 3 points 10 months ago

My question is, who brings suit? You can't bring suit if you're not an injured party. The justices can't bring suit without recusing themselves. This is quite the conundrum.

[-] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 0 points 10 months ago

It would take a constitutional amendment, something that isn't going to happen.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Why would it take a constitutional amendment when the Constitution doesn't define the parameters for the Supreme Court?

The constitution says they serve "in good behavior", so that could be seen as a restriction on setting term limits. The only way to remove one is impeachment.

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