this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2023
684 points (83.7% liked)
Political Memes
6334 readers
3366 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Has Israel made any promises about respecting Palestine's right to exist?
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers ~~the Palestinians~~ the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -
None
The fact of the matter is no one will agree to live in a portion of thier homeland, especially one were priced farmland and religious sites lay.
They have historically lived in the area longer than the Jewish population.
So, what happened in 1948 that lead to 1949, and what historically happened with the original inhabitants of the region (spoiler alert, the Jews) over the past 2000 years? Or does your knowledge of history stop in 1949?
And what happened before 1940? And what happened before 1920? And what happened...
This conflict is based on religion. There will never be one true "owner of the land" because land doesnt work like that.
Hey, I think a peaceful solution where both co-exist can and should be implemented. That's the ideal.
I'm just pointing out that if we start going off history, it's ultimately going to point at Jews being the original inhabitants of the land and having that land taken from them. Anyone who tries to justify atrocities against Jews with selective history or any whataboutisms is either completely ignorant of history or has an ulterior motive.
The harsh reality is that the ultra-orthodox Jews will need to be silenced and the majority of men in Palestine will need to be as well. I'd hope for peaceful rehabilitation, we did a good job with it in Germany and an okay job in Japan. But the dark side of this is that it may end up with long or life-time internment for extremists. They will stop any peace process as long as they are free to interfere. And we're talking hundreds of thousands of men here.
At the end of the day though, if only one side is going to get the land due to lack of action from the international community, then it deserves to be Israel. If you think that's wrong, then try chanting "Gays for Free Palestine" in Gaza and see what happens.
It's a vibes-based thing, then? Cool
No, it's based on who's actively attempted to commit genocide and who hasn't. And no, Israel is not committing genocide in Gaza. And if you genuinely don't know about the multiple post-WWII attempts to kill all the Jews in Israel, then any opinions you have about the Middle East mean nothing.
More vibes, all vibes, just vibin'.
At the end of the day this whole thing is too big and old for me and all i will contribute is dunking on antisemites and contrarians
Don't confuse criticism of the Israeli Government for anti-Semitism.
I am not. But thanks for being so worried.
But the Holocaust happened so the state of Israel is allowed to genocide others apparently
I mean the jews that fled to israel were being genocided everywhere. This all started way before the holocaust my dude. This conflict is not one to be very wisecrack about. How far back do you look for who is the baddie and whos the goodie?
Yeah they definitely were, and that's awful, all genocide is awful.
Its hard to say how far back to look, one would hope as generations continue hatreds of past injustices (if anything was done to ease/reduce/eliminate) those injustices would start to simmer down on all sides.
Unfortunately very often prejudices are passed down to the next generation which just starts the cycle all over again.
Regardless, the Holocaust was horrible no question but that doesn't then justify the government of Israel getting away with war crimes, nor does me saying that justify in any way the horrible things Hamas has done. However it is important to understand context especially in the more recent past.
Understanding how and why the Israel/Palestine conflict has simmered would lead to how and why Hamas was formed in the first place, similar to how looking at America helped formed Al Queda to overthrow the Soviet-backed government of Afghanistan
The Nakba
The Jews were not the original inhabitants of the land. That claim is solely on early Arabs. They lived, settled and thrived for 3000 years before they were driven out by Canaanites.
Not only were the Arabs the original inhabitants of the area but they also lived there the longest amount of time.
Pretty much, yes.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says