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Sounds like you're saying that children dying is the good ending...? And, that Hitler being forced to hide in a bunker and physically shoot himself in the head while his evil empire was ripped to shreds was getting away with it, unless someone believes in your version of god?
So, you're clearly in some demented version of option 3 (ignore reality/believe delusion), the most common option, as I outlined.
Maybe option 1 (evil god) with the whole child death thing though, idk...
Sounds like their argument relies upon the existence of an afterlife, which leaves the burden of proof on them. Don't strain yourself too hard on this one.
Exactly.
Yes. Proof we received is testimony from someone who demonstrated through documented prophecies and miracles that he is a messenger of the divine and who has no ulterior motive in what he did than solely conveying said message.
We need far more tangible proof than that. I can claim wholeheartedly and faithfully the core of the earth is made of citrus. Until I provide tangible proof, I'm making things up.
You're preaching faith on an atheist community. What did you actually expect? People to renounce their ways and take up your faith?
I don't expect you to trust me, but if you are fishing for a debate, you won't get anywhere with an empty argument and zero tangible evidence. And no, some random jackass's "testimony" doesn't count.
You've never faced down your own mortality or been in a seriously dark place, have you? I have. I don't care how bad Hitler was, it's not a pleasant feeling to contemplate ending things. It's painful. It's a position that you are put in by pain. I have enough empathy to realize that.
But more importantly, I'm not super fixated on punishment in general. I think that Hitler was obviously a horribly bad person, and that by him ending things he could no longer cause harm. That is enough.
That people who believe in some god or other seem hyper fixated on retribution is not something in your favor. It does not paint you or your god in a good light. Good would be preventing bad things from happening in the first place.
Similarly, with regards to children, it is better not to have them if you can't even make a reasonably successful effort to provide them with a more hopeful and better world full of greater opportunity and wonder and joy. That is the merciful route.
Not having children in an evil world is merciful. Wishing children die before puberty is monstrous. You argue to create pain in innocents.
You religious people with your notions of duty and retribution, pain and punishment are not painting a world or paradigm created by any kind of good entity.
You come into an atheism community and act all high and mighty as if you have something to impart to US?
It's laughable. You have nothing but unfounded trash. You don't come here to convince us. Be honest with yourself for one goddamned second. You come here to try and firm up the non-existent foundations of your faltering faith.
You have no proof or value to offer. Just gaping, naked need.
None of us atheists come to your mosques. Yet, you come in here with unprovable notions and demand others prove them wrong for you. I'm done going point for point with you and extended you far too much courtesy.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
You have no evidence. And, absolutely nothing extraordinary.
The burden of proof lies on you. And, this is not the place for it, in any case.
“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
― George Bernard Shaw
No one in the real world cares about justice whether they're religious or not. It's always been a nebulous concept and one quickly rejected at the slightest hint of it being inconvenient to the rich or the community at large. No deity in ANY belief system changes that fact; if anything, they only highlight how illusory justice really is.
And the third option: to change humanity to make it more just, never occurs to you
Man, religious people are a trip