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While I'm not her fan she is right and this exactly why the current trend on. The internet of voting 3rd party is dangerous, since the Republican are not playing in good faith and they will not split their vote.
No, she is 100% incorrect. Hitler was not elected. He famously staged a coup d'etat.
She's about 60% incorrect. The nazi party won a majority in the reichstag via normal electoral means before hitler was appointed chancellor by then-president Paul von Hindenburg. It was only after a series of electoral victories and in the anticommunist bloodlust that followed the reichstag fire that a state of emergency was declared and the coup began in earnest. I'll give her that she's mostly wrong because what she literally said is untrue, but because it's an oversimplification of what happened and her broader point, that nazis used electoralism before they used brute force, is true.
What are you talking about Republicans split votes with libertarianism all the time, like constantly
Not really. Libertarian and green turnout has been down since Trump/Hillary. Apparently having two terrible candidates makes everyone a tactical voter.
Can't tell if you were talking about Clinton and Trump or Johnson and Stein. Trump and Stein were the worst two. I'm not convinced shes not a literal Russian plant, and if not she's a useful idiot for sure. Johnson wasn't even as good as his running mate, but that party is a joke anyway.
I don't understand what you mean, we recently saw some of the biggest percentages for libertarians, like the last president vote in 2020, or even 2016, I recall like 3% PR something. Basically the biggest weve seen in a while. I think Democrats are way more likely to not split. Most conservatives I know say they'd vote libertarian if it didn't feel like a throw away vote too
You're right, I was thinking of 16 to 20.
How exactly?
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one as they're fully into leopards ate my face land at this point.
Missed a the word "not"
Oh hah gotcha, right on man.
Yes people should vote for Biden over Trump, because Trump is the biggest threat of our lifetime. But instead of policing people online whenever Biden makes shit policy choices, maybe spend that energy pressuring Joe into doing things voters care about.
It's like we all fear Biden is giving up, continuing his on his strategy of alienating voters and liberals want anyone to blame it on besides Biden.
Giving up? What are you talking about? Dude is out there everyday busting ass.
Busting ass every day? In 21-22 yes, but not lately.
Talk to marginally engaged voters about Biden, they are either going to make or break him in 2024. And right now, they feel like he is not representing them.
Yea, let's go back to the guy that's juggling a half dozen criminal court cases, and tried to overthrow the government, and is more likely to take away my right to vote entirely instead of being mildly annoyed at Joe Biden.
WTH are you talking about? My top comment is the opposite of that. And Biden arming a genocide has many Democrats light years beyond annoyed.
I swear if liberals put their energy pushing for popular policies instead of policing any criticism of Biden, his positions and polls numbers would flip.
Stop enabling Genocide Joe, because Genocide Joe is how we get Trump again.
It’s an extremely complicated situation, and I have no desire to waste my time with someone using tabloid nicknames to get their point across. Biden doesn’t do his work via Twitter. We’re talking about an upcoming election against a traitor who flip flops on the issue depending on what gets him more press. You think Biden not stopping Israel is genocide, what do you think an authoritarian dictator loving leader of a party of xenophobic Trans hating extremists is going to do?
Genocide is not complicated, it is never acceptable.
And when it’s genocide vs genocide it’s complicated
You want to fucking "both sides" this, really? If Biden and the US government were arming Hamas while they attacked Israeli citizens, I would be just as upset as would you. But here you are defending him while ten of thousands of Palestinians are dead or dying. Stop pretending like you care.
You understand Israel didn't just do this out of the blue right? They are reacting to a 9/11 caliber event by groups that want to exterminate them. I'm not saying either side is right in their methods, I'm saying it's extremely complicated. Proxy war always is. They need to react enough to discourage Hamas or other Islamic groups from doing anything like this again, but their margins are extremely thin and it's arguable that they overreact. Again, Complicated.
Ignore my other comment and read this persons whose comment is fantastic
https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.world/t/618414/-/comment/3504087
I agree beginning of the comment, conflict is bad for both Palestinians and Israeli citizens. And it increasing bigotry towards Muslims and Jews worldwide.
I re-read the comment twice and I believe it fails when it gets into blaming the Palestinian people, like they chose to have no control of their food, water, borders, ports, electricity, or even their military.
I'm not sure where you are from. But in America, they teach us to blame voters whenever shit goes bad. But at the same time our divided media propagandizes us with narratives that always protect the most powerful. Israeli leadership is the most powerful in that region and this comment you linked unsurprisingly has no criticism for them? I am done blaming people, even if they believe the shit propaganda fed to them. Leaders are always to blame.
That region can never heal until it's rotten leadership is gone and there's new leaders that actually want to build a peaceful future.
Again, it’s complicated. Biden going on TV and blaming someone like his predecessor did is a terrible idea. Handling it through private channels is the way to go.
It anyway, the idea that there can be peace in the region at all is questionable. Separate groups of people all feel entitled to the land and the Israelis have already gone through the holocaust, and of those aligned with Hamas have their way they’d go through another. They aren’t going to let it go, and they aren’t going allow Hamas to try it again. There isn’t much more to say. The innocent people in Gaza and Israel suffer like regular citizens always do in war.