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[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago
[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

my broader point is that Trump has gained 0 ground with any one who didn't vote for him in 2020, 2016.

It might feel good and he might be getting an emotional response from his bae (which is considerable), but he has won zero new voters with his post 2020 campaigning. If we go by the effect of actually votes cast, voting in 2021, 2022, 2023, has been an across the board shellacking for both Trumpism and to a lesser extent Republicanism. It's unpopular af outside of the circles in which it is super popular. His core is fanatical, but neither a plurality or majority outside of maybe some extreme states, an even then, I doubt it with how gerrymandered everything is.

So who is he servicing with this messaging and why? It's clearly just for his extant base. Why? I don't know. I don't think he planned to leave office and I think he sees that as his clearest past away from prison. But he won't win an election on shit like this.

[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago

my broader point is that Trump has gained 0 ground with any one who didn’t vote for him in 2020, 2016.

I'm not so sure about that...he's polling better with black and Hispanic people than ever before, apparently. Good news it that these are early polls and feature a ton of problems that make their reliability low.

[-] DarkShaggy@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Yeah polling seems to become less and less reliable in the last 1-4 years. Remember when the red wave was going to wipe out the "dems" and then....totally opposite happened.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Same with this election.

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

If polling is done by random calling numbers then you can trash any numbers cuz most of us ain't answering shit unless we recognize the number.

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