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The two most stolen items
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THE TWO MOST STOLEN ITEMS IN THE WORLD: a pen labeled Surplus Value of Workers Labor, and a lighter labeled Indigenous Land
I think land and a car are completely different. A car is a product that has been built and sold for a value. Often it can be proved who owned it, and how they acquired it.
Land is a finite patch of earth somebody got to first and said “Mine”. Do we respect this rule of “ownership” no matter what has changed about the world and no matter how much time has passed?
Are we going to be talking about who said “mine” first for the next two thousand years?
Do we give the Native Americans all the land back and send 300 million people to Europe? Is that your solution?
Honestly at this point, yes. If you want there to be a better solution, come up with something that doesn't involve genocide. It will come to you VERY quickly. (I'll give you a hint: Returning ownership to its rightful inhabitants does not require an ethnic cleansing campaign)
Where do the mixed race people go back to? Like someone who is 25% Indigenous 25% Swedish 25% West African 25% North African?
You didn't listen at all, but just to humor your question: death.
I did listen/read your comments, you just didn't provide any viable solution for mixed race people like me and many millions of others. And the only joke (hopefully at least) answer you can come up with is, somewhat ironically, literal genocide.
You don't have any meaningful solution whatsoever. I don't either, the difference is I'm not claiming I do. You are, but won't provide it.
I would explain what landback is all about but you would just call it white genocide.
I'll wait. I was under the impression land back is about returning land. I support the concept and I too, would like my land back. I'm not white and haven't called anything white genocide ever.
Cool so they get their land back then you get to just continue on living except now you don't have to pay rent because they abolished property ownership. No genocides, no mass displacements. Yeah, I know. It really is that easy. Sounds like a cool plan, we should do that.
So I get to continue living on someone else's land? I really don't feel good about that. And who is the 'they' here? Only pure blood line indigenous people, but not mixed race indigenous people? I sincerely do not understand what you're trying to say here.
I definitely support ending property ownership and am a Marxist. But I still don't know where the mixed race people like myself are supposed to go. And I literally want to go, just trying to figure out where.
Good thing this isn't about you, then.
If you want to feel less bad about it why don't you take a look at this map and learn the language where you live. It won't be on the final exam it's just a little fun exercise to keep your mind occupied.
The area I live in is disputed between 3 different First Nations, one of which I am a part of...
I think you're having trouble picturing me as a minority-dominant mixed race individual because you are white yourself?
If that's the case why the hell do you care?? You have nothing to lose by opposing it.
Because it isn't something that can be meaningfully implemented. Not to mention what if it all goes to a First Nation I disagree with having control of it? Like I said, it's contested between three indigenous groups.
There also the issue, that I keep bringing up, of me being mixed race. I don't see how we can only look at the 25% of my genetic heritage while ignoring the other 75%. The world is a lot more complicated than a binary worldview of 'idigenous or not'.
You, and others blindly yelling 'land back' without any specifics are not being realistic at all and just want to feel better about your own position without actually taking any meaningful specific actions.
You're hopeless. We're going with my original plan. Let everyone know when you're ready to come to the table.
That might seem harsh but the way things are going, that's what's going to end up happening, so shape up while you still can.
I am hopeless when it comes to accepting your white savior view of things, yes. And which original plan? The one in support of murdering all mixed race people? Also which table? I literally don't understand what you're trying to say.
If you can't even justify your position, like...at all. Doesn't that sort of make you consider rethinking your position at least a little bit?
You've already made it clear that you support genocide, so go die. The rest of the world will go on without you just fine.
I'm not going to waste my time with someone whose kill-or-be-killed world view is going to result in both of us dead.
Where did I say anything about supporting genocide? You're the one telling me to die lol. I don't support any form of genocide and at no point in this thread, or any thread, did I say anything to even slightly imply that.
Did you get me confused with someone else you are replying to or something?