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WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital
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Are you under the impression that people like Hamas? We can be mad at both of them.
This incident among others highlights exactly why IDF and Israel as a whole can't commit to a cease fire for the same reasons Ukraine couldn't just try to make peace with Russia. The agressor in both situations is only going to be satisfied when they wipe out every trace of the others existence, would you agree to a truce with someone you know is only going to use the ceasefire to find another opportunity to kill you? Hamas entire reason to be is drive a wedge between the Israeli and Palestinian people and prolong any suffering by Palestinians to justify carrying out war crimes against their neighbors with zero regard to the safety and well being of anyone not fighting for them.
The scary thing is that Israel also has a direct and clear interest in wiping out/exiling all palestinians. It's the only way they can reasonably have access to all of what they say is their promised land. It would be ignorant of the circumstances and ignorant of history to not take this into account: Israel's actions since its establishment have shown overwhelming disdain for the Palestinian people's existence and to that end they have committed similar atrocities to Hamas, but with orders of magnitude more victims.
You’re leaving out the part where all of Israel's neighbors attacked them when the country was founded. Don’t make it seem like Israel started all this shit as soon as they showed up. Part of the problem here is that Palestinians aren’t completely innocent victims—they’ve hated Jews since long before Israel was a country.
None of that justifies Israel’s war crimes, but people advocating for the Palestinians tend to portray them as completely innocent victims of Israel’s aggression, when the truth is that they have been supporting Hamas for a long time. Sadly, there aren’t really any “good” sides in this war.
I actually have the impression. It's always "yes hamas is bad BUT..."
We're mad at all the propaganda blaming Israel for decisions not made in a fucking vacuum.
Doing nothing has progressively made the situation worse over the past 17 years every time. Limited engagements have lost them the information war and produced severe international backlash and still not eliminated Hamas. Large scale combat operations were always going to be this bad on civilians. It always is. This isn't counter insurgency. They are fighting a full on war and it took a massively resourced and foreign supported terrorist attack on civilians to get them to commit to it.
Additionally, they are very much an apartheid state and are overwhelmingly responsible for the meat grinder that is now Gaza.