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[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 39 points 9 months ago

I think they do: https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/

I just think the Dems suck at advertising it. Hell, I think Biden is trying for at least some student debt relief.

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 34 points 9 months ago

You aren't wrong, in a way. I'm nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don't have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn't mean it's time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

I don't really agree with you, but even if I did... "advertising it" is a big part of politics! It's called messaging, and it's important. You have to get people excited to vote for you. They need to feel like you're fighting for them. If you can't manage that, then don't blame people for not voting for you.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but there's a couple things wrong. First, the Dems are trying to DO things, which is exceedingly difficult with a Republican Congress that can't even agree on a speaker.

But also, DOING things just doesn't get that much attention.

Fixing the threatening hyper-inflation after the PPP was pretty damn important, but they obviously can't advertise that because there are side effects. Our economy is returning to being based on real shit rather than make believe Venture Capital bullshit. That's a painful process, and of course the rich and corporations refuse to feel any of the pain (at least immediately). They're attempting to pawn all the pain off onto the working class, partly in the hope that they'll get more corporate tax cuts to "stimulate the economy".

They're getting more EVs made in America. The significant tax credit for EVs require that most of the car be made here.

They're fixing our crumbling bridges and roads. That doesn't get much attention, and if it does it'll be a part they've failed to address.

Amtrak is building out passenger rail lines that are actually relevant to me. It's not building metro systems in several medium US cities that need it, but it's a start.

You know a way that's much, much easier to get attention? Maybe the Dems should just pick a minority and spout fear and hate. That really plays much better with the public. Just put up a loud mouth who every other day spouts such incredibly dumb shit that the news HAS to cover it. That's a winning messaging strategy.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

I can't afford an EV. I can't afford a house. I can't afford gas. I can't afford groceries. I can't afford health insurance-- actually, I can afford the minimum insurance I am required to purchase, but it is basically worthless. This is the kind of shit I don't hear/see much convincing from Democrats. Yes, fuck the fascists in the Republican party. Unfortunately, fascism can look like an 'answer' for these kind of problems. If we don't want people to fall for that trap, we need popular politics coming from the left.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries.

What do you expect any president to do about that?

[-] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

President specifically, nothing. Government and a political party as a whole? Fix the problem.

There's lots of ideas as to how to fix the problem, and though I have my own and have preferences, all that ultimately matters is that every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Maybe voting for fewer Republicans would be a good start.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I expect someone running for president to sound like they give a fuck about that, and (once elected) to use their position as the party leader to constantly marshal their forces towards real solutions to those problems.

[-] Fades@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Naive as hell, we get it.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

They don't suck. They just don't get any help from corporate media or social media.

All corporate media is right wing media.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I also think people cling to the negatives. With student debt relief, everyone was cynical as hell at the time and still attacked the Dems.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Biden wiped the debt. Republicans filed a lawsuit and a Republican judge overturned the order.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Biden used the weakest legal reasoning he had available to cancel a fraction of existing student loan debt even though debt relief advocates were telling him not to. That made it easy to challenge in court.

[-] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 4 points 9 months ago

Ya that one was on Biden. No idea why he chose that way to remove student loan debt.

[-] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

Seems like maybe Obama shouldn't have made propaganda normal and mainstream

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -3 points 9 months ago

He's currently failing to handle the current most pressing international issue in a way that satisfies his voter base, though.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago

He is, don't think that contradicts anything I've said though. I'm just saying they do more than they let on.

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