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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

The "Biden sucks" narrative is a little out of control at the moment. I hope his team pivots to highlight all of his successes around the time Trump is getting tossed in prison. That should hopefully be enough juxtaposition for even the most terminally online idiots in this country to not vote for the meme candidate again.

Part of the problem also is that centrist Dem voters are single issue queens and will refuse to turn out if they don't get their way on certain issues, and a lot of them are drawing lines in the sand over Israel/Palestine right now. In case anybody hasn't be paying attention, let me assure you, Trump will not end the war in the middle east. If anything, he will accelerate it. If you're unhappy about Biden supporting Israel but calling for an end to hostilities, boy are you going to be upset if Trump takes the White House and endorses full-on genocide of Muslims in the west bank and complete Russian supremacy in Ukraine.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

The centrists are much happier than the leftists with Biden, I've seen more voter apathy among leftists who are tired of voting for center-right candidates while right wing extremists get to vote for fascists that openly support them.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

I wasn't exactly an enthusiastic Biden voter last go-around, I thought he was probably past his prime even in the primaries and think his VP is pathetic, BUT there's not even a choice going into 2024. You've got one guy who already staged one insurrection attempt, is openly planning to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship, fumbled the US's pandemic response, gave US secrets away rival countries, is likely beholden to one of our biggest global adversaries, had almost no actual accomplishments to speak of during his term, and consistently breaks the law on a daily/weekly basis. And then you've got a middle-of-the-road, generic politician who has actually racked up some achievements in the past four years, but has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth from time to time. The Israel-Palestine thing is essentially a continuation of US policy for the past few dozen years, yeah it sucks and wish we could do something more than giving them more weapons and just limply saying, "Could you please kill civilians maybe not so fast, just ease up a little bit?" But yeah, Trump would likely give them the ok to just start nuking Gaza/West Bank and might even offer US nukes for the job. Trying to pressure Democrats to change course on Israel by essentially handing the election over to Trump will not help the Palestinian cause any, the same way that being pissed off about Bernie Sanders and sitting out 2016 basically handed Trump and the GOP a SCOTUS majority (note: I supported Sanders in the 2016 primary).

[-] 4lan@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I don't see it as a vote for Biden, rather a vote against Trump

[-] Superorgizznism@sh.itjust.works -4 points 8 months ago

Funny enough, there's research demonstrates that people vote against the voters of a party, and it turns out that people don't like being called idiots for disagreeing politically with someone, and that they'll go so far as to vote against the party of voters calling them idiots.

Maybe just something to think about.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Interesting premise, have a link to the research?

[-] pahlimur@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

It's party specific though. Republican voters get shit on constantly and never waiver at the vote. It's people in the center and to the left that will just not show up if they've been slighted.

I say this way to often, but I'm ex Republican and we used to joke about how much the lefts bickering handed us elections. The only way to fix this country is to show up and vote dem because you can be damn sure Republicans are going to show up regardless of the candidate they choose.

[-] 4lan@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

the amount of republicans who acknowledge trumps treason saying "I'm not sure yet" when asked if they will vote for trump is insane. They are just picking a color at this point. It could be anyone.

I am going to be bugging everyone I know come next November. We need apathetic centrists to vote to prevent more trump, make them know what's at stake

[-] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Isn't one of the parties' voters calling people baby killers, groomers/pedophiles, deranged/insane for disagreeing with them politically?

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