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The "kill and exile" part is not necessarily part of it (see e.g. Labour Zionism, Rabin was one of them) but granted the right-wing nutjobs have pretty much appropriated that label outside of Israel itself.
Oh speaking about divine right: There's also religious Antizionism, those people equate anything Zionist to trying to force the prophecy of the third temple and therefore as heretical.
oh I've seen a lot about labor zionism learning about the history of zionism in general. The kibbutzim, the jewish land funds, the buying up of land from colonial land owners and eviction of Palestinians, long before Israeli statehood. Look at the occupation in the West Bank for what Labor Zionism looks like. And what the kibbutzim at the Gaza border are waiting to do to Gaza.
Going in and helping in all kinds of humanitarian ways? At least that's what they did before Hamas slaughtered them all, it's a very lefty region.
Imagine Rabin not getting assassinated and the Oslo accords going into force. That's what Labor Zionism could've looked like.
And don't get me wrong I won't defend everything every Labour Zionist has ever done, either. My position is actually quite simple: Fascists on both sides are fucking it up for everyone. And no matter your gripes with any particular Labour Zionist thing, fascists they are fucking not.
do you think the humanitarian situation in Gaza was good? International Humanitarian organizations were pleading with Israel to let them do humanitarian work in the open air prison that is Gaza. I think Israel has been lying to you about how they've been handling Gaza, it has not been humanitarian in any way.
The situation wasn't just not good, it was atrocious. But also no, the Israelis going in and and helping weren't the Israeli government blockading it, same as Israelis helping West Bank Palestenians with the olive harvest so they don't get shot at by settlers aren't the IDF turning a blind eye to settlers shooting Palestinians.
Maybe, just for a second, consider that Israel is not a hive mind.
Was Rabin the one assassinated by a Zionist who was so close to making a good treaty? If so, we need more of those.
By a religious Zionist, yes. And guess who back then variously called for, didn't push back against calls for, etc, his assassination: The current prime minister as well as the minister of national security.
As to more of those: You know the type of Jews living close to the west bank going in helping Palestinians with the olive harvest so that they're less likely to get shot at by settlers (because hurting Israelis would get them in trouble)? Many of those types also lived near the Gaza border, helping as they can, it's a region full of old hippie kibbutzim. And then Hamas came. Which gives yet another spin on why the Israeli government isn't terribly worried about the hostages: Most of them are leftists.
Generally speaking the average Israeli is left of centre, in its core it's a socdem country. After the failure of the Oslo accords a lot, a lot a lot of them bought the right-wing promise for safety, the "antagonise until they give up" path, but otherwise stayed centre left. As I think the Haaretz put it: "Yigal Amir [the assassin] has won". But then with the right wing now having proved that they can't provide safety their days in government are absolutely numbered, Netanyahu is not popular in Israel right now. They won't go for naive hippie kumba-ya, either, but a Realpolitik "keep the checkpoints, get rid of the settlements, stop antagonising and put the fucking Kahanites in padded cells" policy is currently definitely a vote-winner.
Considering the "settler" violence in the West Bank (backed by the Israeli military), it sure seems like they've appropriated it inside of Israel itself, too.
They've cornered state power by having found a willing stirrup holder (Netanyahu) whose only interest nowadays is staying in power to avoid going to prison for corruption and therefore able to form a coalition with the right-wingest of right-wing fascist fucks (people like Ben Gvir, who didn't get drafted as the IDF ruled him to be too extremist to serve). But label-wise, no, they don't equate Zionism with Kahanites and general ilk. Roughly like other countries don't equate patriotism with fascism.
Some Israelis - not all. The current government is absolutely zionist and there is a decent portion of the population that is aligned with that... but, to my knowledge, the majority of Israelis don't demand a one state solution. And it's absolutely true that the majority of jews don't advocate for that.