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Chinese prisoner’s ID card apparently found in lining of Regatta coat
(www.theguardian.com)
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Forced prison labour is the foundation of a number of economies, including the US'. It's explicitly not prohibited in the Constitution.
China can't use prison labour to undercut global markets because they have a smaller prison labour pool than their key economic competitor (the US).
I don't believe that. Chinas prison stats are around 1.69mil (which is oddly on par with the US - per capita not taken into consideration). However, per the Global Slavery Index, there's an estimated 5.8 million people enslaved there. And we know that there were over 1 million Uyghur Muslims, and we really don't even know the extent to which that is happening either.
I'd be willing to bet that there's a lot more slave/prison labor going over there than even we realize.
In the US, we don't call them slaves. We call them prisoners. That's how we stay off the index.
Never mind that we intentionally arrest specific racial groups more than others, and that the laws are such that you can be arrested for almost anything, including things like "looking suspicious while driving and then resisting arrest."
Slavery never left America. We just decided to start including some poor white people too.
At least half of them were forced into it by the government and are keen on reminding everyone else about it with their douchey flags.
Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock into statistics coming from the Chinese government.
Do they count extreme work hours as effective slavery? If so, then I wouldn't be surprised at all if China has more "slavery". If not, then you'll have to quantify your numbers as well. If they're including things that are only effectively slavery, then both countries have millions upon millions more than either of those stats, so where the line is drawn makes all the difference.
Company towns are effective slavery.
The GSI is not a reliable index. The Walk Free initiative that publishes the GSI doesn’t use a consistent methodology for every country and will also uncritically accepts reports of human trafficking from unreliable sources.
For example, their report on China includes unverified claims of harvesting organs from members of the Falun Gong, a right wing cult operating out of the US. The Falun Gong also operates the Epoch Times which is a far right conspiratorial newspaper that has promoted Qanon, antivax propaganda, and claims of election fraud in the 2020 US presidential election. You can not trust their testimony on faith alone and yet that’s what Walk Free did.
This post has so many controversial aspects:
This is called indentured servitude, it was common in feudal societies.
BTW, you should add a new line between points to have proper formatting
Tell it to the 13th Amendment:
Coincidentally, those convicted parties are predominantly Black.
Person A: it's bad that China is bad.
Person B: OMFG but USA bad too!
Like, do you actually think this is a real defense for China's behavior? Or are you just blustering because you understand there is no defense and that hurts your world view?
The OP claimed China has a competitive edge from prison labour. I disproved that statement.
Not really. Because China'a numbers are demonstrably false. It's the good old "you can't prove it's happening if we just don't count them" logic.
You can disprove China's numbers... How, exactly?
Satellites help.
Satellites to... See people?
Yes, and prison camps and other structures, changes in landscape over time, and so on. I'm sure if you really think hard you'll come up with all sorts of ways to get information out of a country when you don't trust the numbers the government there is giving, especially if you think in terms of having lots of resources. Check out how people in North Korea get access to the unfiltered internet and western media, for example; similar techniques are used to exfiltrate data to piece together the whole picture.
What granularity do you think satellites shoot at?
https://journals.law.harvard.edu/hrj/2023/11/privacy-and-veracity-implications-of-the-use-of-satellite-imagery-from-private-companies-as-evidence-in-human-rights-investigations/
An opinion piece with no quantitative analysis? Nice.
Your question was
If you are truly unable to divine the answer to your question from the article from a reputable source that talks about the privacy implications of satellites that can track individual human movements I am happy to spell it out for you:
I don't think, I know that satellites are capable of tracking individual human movements. There are specialized satellites for different types of information gathering, such as those that can identify an individual by their biometrics (https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/06/27/238884/the-pentagon-has-a-laser-that-can-identify-people-from-a-distanceby-their-heartbeat/). Combine that with imaging in the electromagnetic spectrum, the infrared spectrum, on-the ground spies, unauthorised access to local network infrastructure (hacking), and you can pretty quickly figure out if you're looking at a hundred thousand people in an area, or a million.
Honestly, this is pretty easy stuff to research. Did you just not bother, or?
It's called context.
Your replies make no sense. If you're not a troll, work on that. If you are a troll, well... 🤡
You're not looking at the other comments before replying. Understandably, since it's a long thread, but I'd recommend you start reading from the first comment
Instead, China uses their prison population to bolster their organ transplant market.
Edit: I wonder if the people who downvoted realise that China admitted they had been harvesting organs from prisoners but claimed it was voluntary and that they were stopping. Meanwhile, the exponential growth of their transplant industry continued beyond 2014.
I'm hearing this happens with the bodies of Palestinians as well.
Zydrate comes in a little glass vial
Cool, I was just thinking the answer to this problem was either 'both sides' or 'what about'.