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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Here's the thread I made on Hexbear.

https://hexbear.net/post/1232126

Four comments as of me writing this comment:

Putin really is a big fan of the Russian Empire. He's even doing his own pogroms that will inevitably lead to a brain drain.

Russia is so fucked. People who identified as not-religious has been constantly falling from since 1991 from 60% to 20%. Orthodox Christianity from 30% to 70%. Russian youth (16-29 yo) are 75% religious (62% orthodox) https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/

Man, fuck Gorbachev for allowing the USSR to be dissolved by the west.

[an emoji titled "russia-cool", depicting a burning Russian flag]

So yeah, if you're looking for Hexbears criticizing Russia, then there you go.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Man, fuck Gorbachev for allowing the USSR to be dissolved by the west.

What on Earth does this even mean?

[-] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No idea. Letter from mental asylum?

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems like they are mostly concerned with connecting "Russia bad" to liberalism, the ideology which is actually doing the most for LGBT rights. So even in contrition, they push misinformation and information warfare.

[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

liberalism, the ideology which is actually doing to most for LGBT rights.

Just so that you're aware: liberalism here refers to the belief in market economies and the right to private property. There is a bit more to liberalism, naturally, but that's the main point. So whenever you see Hexbears talk about "libs" or "liberals", rather than applying whatever American definition or preconception of the word "liberalism" that you may have, instead think, "someone who supports the free market and private property"... And indeed, the liberal parties in Russia are right-wing and deeply conservative: "liberal" non est "progressive". Decouple those terms in your mind. You can have liberal progressives and liberal conservatives alike if you're not using "liberal" as a synonym of "progressive", like Americans tend to do.

Furthermore, LGBT+ criticisms of capitalism have a history stretching back even before Stonewall. Harry Whyte's letter to Stalin in 1934, which criticizes the regress of gay rights in the USSR while also analyzing the position of gays in capitalism at the time, stands out. Leslie Feinberg (1949-2014) is another important figure in the history of LGBT+ communism. You might find Feinberg's Lavender and Red to be particularly interesting, as it lays out a history of the intersection of LGBT+ rights movements and leftism.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just so you're aware: liberalism is the European enlightenment philosophy which holds that individual liberty and civil freedom is foundational to the curation of political agency and democratic self determination. This ML reduction to "liberalism is everything I don't like" is factually incorrect and, like I said, intentional misinformation. Or more realistically, just bad political science, which is what most of us have come to expect from hexbears.

Russian oligarchy is in no way, shape, or form related to the belief that democracy is sacred, and political agency is a necessary condition thereof.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I think they were referring to difference between classical liberalism (usually implied by "liberalism" term in Europe) and social liberalism (usually implied in the US). The European enlightenment philosophy sounds like something that was a basis for both but contemporary state may be far from the original ideals.

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

Either way they're still full of shit, so I don't see that it even matters.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

But the right to private property is as important as the right to your bodily autonomy! If you can own nothing then prepare to die losing your body and your mind. Imagine that, a communist alien that will take everything, even your mind from you!

The blob will have no mercy on us! Burn it to death with fire if we have to

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

Just so that you're aware, that's a bullshit definition of liberalism and no one is under any obligation to cede it to authoritarian liars and chumps. Any legitimate definition of liberalism has also to include a fundamental respect for basic human rights and the consent of the governed. Liberalism stands in antithesis to authoritarianism and that's precisely why the hexbear bozos hate it so much.

[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

How exactly do I revoke my consent?

[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

So they're not even consistent and you trot that out like we're supposed to somehow respect it? Call it what it is; intellectual dishonesty. Those people are intellectual contortionists because they don't actually have a coherent ideology that's defensible in the light of basic human rights. It's all authoritarian bullshit and the sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

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