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Biden says Hamas raped, mutilated women during Israel assault (www.reuters.com)

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago

And the IDF is already walking it back:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-appears-to-push-back-on-irresponsible-us-claim-hamas-refusing-to-release-raped-hostages/

Just like with the "40 beheaded babies!!" don't jump to conclusions, wait for the facts to come out.

p.s. How bad does it have to be for the IDF to say "The conversation around the issue is irresponsible, inaccurate and should be avoided."

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Different things.

This article is about Biden saying that women were raped on October 7th.

The article you linked is about hostages being raped while they were being held in Gaza.

EDIT: the motivation of the IDF to publish that is to maximize the chances of the hostages coming back alive - if Hamas feel the hostages might do more damage after being released by confirming claims such as rape or sexual assault, the worry is that they will simply execute them.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't know how reputable that site is, but it sounds reputable

The pushback is apparently in response to comments from US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller Monday that Hamas terrorists likely held back on freeing female hostages because it did not want them to speak publicly about being subjected to rape and other sexual violence.

The pushback is not on the claim of rape and mutilation. The pushback is on the rapes being a reason to hold back on hostage release.

And I agree. The (likely) fact of the rapes and mutilation is horrific. But to even imply that is a reason that hostages are not being exchanged hurts both sides and prolongs the war. Because it implies an avenue of propaganda that would make hamas less likely to engage and it infuriates idf soldiers which leads to even more atrocities.

[-] interceder270@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

This whole situation is hopefully going to be a learning experience for many.

[-] some_guy 1 points 8 months ago

No, no, no… He saw those babies nailed to trees (been reading "The Synoptic Gospels" book). Surely, he wouldn't promote fiction about a group fighting occupation. /s

[-] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Israel doesn't want to give Hamas more reasons not to release hostages, despite this being true.

Any conversation that hurts hostage recovery is irresponsible, in their view, because we can just have those conversations later.

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