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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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On Mondays, The Majority Report they had a NYC whistleblower police officer who leaked recordings he made of higher ups admitting to quotas which are illegal.
Many of these abuses happen because unwritten quotas that officers must maintain or they will be disciplined. They must enforce overbearing laws against minority populations to get their quotas and if they enforce them on white populations then they are written up.
https://www.youtube.com/live/F1hirIZVXFY?si=I4aLXNJYs5wMW8Du the interview about 24:30 into this video but the whole episode is always good to watch.
And yet... NOTHING was done.
Are you fucking angry enough yet?
Nah, didn't think so. Same as it ever was, then. 🤷🏼♂️
I got pulled over for 5km over the limit once in Toronto. The cop was brand new and he even told me that he had to get his quota. 25 dollar fine as well as a victim surcharge fee on top.
I didn't even bother fighting it, my time was worth more than the court time wasted with that one.
Look a little deeper next time. Most areas allow for online refutations, and are far cheaper than in-person disputes by court.
Don't just roll over. That's the first step. ✊🏽
This was 12 years ago. I had to line up and take a ticket then wait to be called to dispute a parking ticket.
Fair.
To anyone living in NY the thought of there not being quotas is laughable.
Like ok Mr.Fuzz tell me again how my seeing cops posted up everywhere trying to catch speeders near the end of every month, but not any other time is somehow not them trying to fulfill their quotas... Better yet tell me how the cop that pulled me over and then lied to the judge about what happened was not about quotas when it also just so happened to be at the end of the month...
Cops are wealth protectors first and tax collectors second. Nowhere does "serve the public interest" play into the roles they're given by the masters.
Also the standard cop defense of not having quotas isn't hey can write as many tickets as they want. Which explicitly doesn't deny the existence of a quota.