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    Linus does not fuck around (lemmy.one)
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    [–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Well, he isn't anyone's boss here. I agree, and so would linus nowadays, that this is toxic and should be avoided, but the anger I fully understand.

    Attempting to shift blame away from yourself after making a change which breaks a large portion of user space is cause for termination at any company I've worked at. It's cowardice. This action goes against one of the most important, core philosophies, of the kernal. Do not break userspace. Also, this person should know better. They are not some odd newbie who may not grasp the ideas yet.

    In a world where termination is not an option harsh criticism is required. This though, I agree, was anger driven unprofessionalism

    [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    There is a way to say all of that and not be a dick about it. Angry responses are seldom needed.

    [–] uis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

    He did it seldomly

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I think there may also be a cultural angle here. Anglo-Saxon culture really places a much higher emphasis on "not causing offense", whereas other cultures place a higher emphasis on speaking truthfully, even if harshly.

    So Linus, who grew up in Finland, may have thought of his message as harsh but fair, whereas to native English speakers it comes across as incredibly rude.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

    It doesn't come across as particularly rude given what the offense here is. Someone blamed other projects for their mistake after getting called out. That deserves harsh criticism.

    I think you are talking about American ideals. Not ideals in the English speaking world. Nothing here is remotely toxic by British standards. Swearing isn't a big deal here, people regularly call each other swear words as a sign of affection. If someone does something stupid you can say they are acting like an idiot and hopefully they will listen. If you didn't they might not think you are serious.