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[-] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 8 months ago

Whaa? "Many people associate Communists and Socialists with the “left” and Libertarians and Free Market Capitalists with the “right”. But there are conservative communists and progressive capitalists." You can't be a conservative Communist, its oxymoronic, dito for the other one too. If you call yourself a communist and have conservative ideals u are not a communist and should change your believes or be removed for communist spaces. On the other hand if you call yourself progressive and support capitalism you aren't progressive as capitalism is inherently oppressive. You can call yourself whatever you'd like but you have to walk the walk too, to be it.

[-] aelwero@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Socialism is left/liberal as a concept (and so is capitalism, in actual fact)... It's not left/liberal when implemented at scale...

The arbiter of resources, whatever or whoever that may be, invariably becomes right/authoritarian. The simple nature of the arbitration causes it, and a truly left/liberal society would, by necessity, require a lack of said arbitration.

Such a society cannot exist at scale. History has proven that repeatedly. A left/liberal society could arguably only exist as anarchy, and frankly, capitalism is far closer to that than communism is. The "every man for himself" nature of capitalism is inherently more capable of providing individual liberty and equal opportunity than the "to each according to his needs", very simply because of the inherent requirement of having an entity judge that need... Said judging entity is inherently authoritarian in nature...

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Of course you can be a conservative Communist. Most of China is both communist and conservative.

Ultimately, you can call yourself whatever you want.

[-] StoneGender@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago

China is not communist, just like the Nazi party was not socialist. And yeah you can yourself whatever you'd like but that doesn't make it true. I can call myself a invertebrate but my bones are still on the inside

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

China is socially conservative--and deeply authoritarian--but economically is officially communist (although not so much in practice, given that they have billionaires).

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