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"People to this day still lose their shit over the 2016 election and don't understand why people hated Hillary Clinton and blamed it all on a "right wing propaganda machine.""
I voted for Hillary in the general because fucking obviously. But she was such an arrogant shit-head through the whole election. I remember watching her boastfully declare that she wouldn't listen to Bernie supporters because she didn't need their vote. She's like the anti-Biden. That's when I started to be worried that she would let Trump win. Fuck her. She's out of touch and thinks it's a virtue.
Exactly. Wasn't about to vote for a dipshit like Trump, but she was being downright abusive to Democratic voters.
She promoted Trump with her "pied piper" strategy because she was so sure he would be the easiest to beat in the general election.
Then she won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College in a bunch of states she didn't campaign in and people on her campaign (including her own husband) had argued she needed to go do stump speeches in those states.
She absolutely thought it was "her turn" and that the DNC owed her for essentially bailing them out when they were broke.
In court, the DNC didn't even argue that they didn't put their finger on the scale for Clinton, they argued it was legal for them to do that because the DNC is a private club, which means they make their own rules, and if they break their own rules, the only people they have to answer to is themselves.
What's that old saying about if the facts aren't on your side, argue the law, if the law isn't on your side, argue the facts, and if neither is on your side pound the table and yell?
The DNC never tried to make the argument that they didn't put their finger on the scale for Hillary Clinton because they would have been found to have definitely done so during discovery proceedings.
The facts weren't on their side so they argued the law, which is that "We're a private club, so NYEAH. Go fuck yourself."
The DNC let trump win. They'd rather lose and hand the country over to a psychopathic narcissist, with 7 bankruptcies, 26 open sexual assault cases against him, a history of fraud, and a recorded declaration of his sexual assault, than win with Bernie. Democrats really need to reflect on the reality of that scenario. The Democratic National Convention would rather have a deranged republican in office than a Democrat with a few socialist ideas. That says a lot about what their real agenda is. All the hot button topics they drone on about are distractions.
I voted for Bernie. The DNC absolutely supported Hillary in the same way that they almost always support incumbents.
Having said that, the polls were favorable to Bernie. There are a lot of moderate and conservative Democrats, and they absolutely come out to vote.
Bernie lost the primary and would have lost to Trump in the general the moment Trump ramped up the socialist messaging. And unlike some others like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie does not hide from the socialist label. He embraces it, for better or worse.
It doesn't make me feel better about Hillary. But that's who Democrats chose.
Democrats are so terrified of being labeled socialist, they refuse to consider the fact that most Americans support socialist democratic policies in all but name.
Bernie lost the primary thanks to DNC antagonism, but he would have destroyed Trump. He was the only one who could have. His election events dwarfed Hillary's, rivaled Trump's, and kept growing. Donny was so terrified of Bernie that he refused to engage with, and barely ever mentioned him.
Donald Trump constantly talked up Bernie because he knew it create animosity and he wouldn't actually win. I love Bernie and I support him, his supporters are very passionate and they show up. But moderates are the majority of the Democratic party and they're harder to convince. It doesn't matter if your supporters are more passionate if the casuals don't like the brand.
Trump was pretty unpopular amongst casuals, there are many candidates who could have beaten him. Hillary could have beaten Trump if she had taken the election seriously. Biden too. Maybe Bernie could have as well. But the whole dynamic would have changed if Trump was antagonistic against him instead of Hillary.
It has been a long time since 2016, and I have yet to see mainstream Democrats own up to their own faults in the loss. I'll certainly admit it was close, but they are still as much in denial about Bernie's chances as they were about their own. Their claim that Dems would have refused to vote for Bernie if he won the primary undermines their credibility when complaining about Bernie voters not showing up.
Trump absolutely did not have the advantage on Bernie, had no idea how to handle him, and was terrified of him, which is why he didn't try.
i remember when she said she was so far ahead in the polls she didnt even think of trump
and tweeting a happy birthday future madam president to herself
hilarious