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[-] wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

So from this perspective, Trump is a better alternative because he will continue the genocide while not having any of the benefits listed above.

Got it.

[-] art@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

We should be expecting better from Biden. We should be critical when he does evil things. He is definitely the superior candidate over Trump, but to blindly just accept the atrocities that he's contributed to is an insane position to take.

[-] wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

I don't think most people voting for Biden instead of Trump are just blindly accepting what he's doing. I think they don't want a repeat of the social and political events of 2016.

Quite frankly, this is where we are right now. We get a dictator party who will do everything they can to prevent people from voting and certain demographics from holding office, who likely will continue the exact same situation we are already in if not make things worse, and has absolutely no regard for our future by lifting pretty much any restrictions in place for companies. Among a litany of other things.

What doesn't make sense to me is all the people being critical of Biden for his response as if literally any presidential option in the same position wouldn't be doing the same thing. The events happening likely would be the same whether we had Trump or Biden for 2020. So to me the insane position to take seems to be letting perfect be the enemy of progress.

To be clear: I wish we had an alternative. I wish the DNC would not choose Biden, I wish that we had a viable candidate who actually held the values that you and I likely share. I am also extremely critical of Biden's stance on this and the weaker follow throughs from other campaign promises, and yet I understand that his candidacy is what will allow younger politicians to actually get things done. We aren't voting for Biden because he's status quo or supports war, we vote for him for chance of us being able to hold political positions so that we can make a future.

I have heavy doubts that a Trump presidency paves that path. I have heavy doubts that a 3rd party candidate doesn't split a vote (that goes for both candidates). And I have heavy doubts that most people are blindly accepting Biden's response to Israel, it seems most are actually quite upset just like we were with Obama and the drone strikes.

The issue is that we have to deal with reality. Is it turning a blind eye? Or is it recognizing that it likely would be happening regardless and thus the focus should be on what we gain as a country from the president. Say that Trump won in 2020, does anyone think we wouldn't be in the exact same situation we're in now, but with Trumps advisory committee? Does anyone genuinely think that the bombing of Gaza would have somehow been avoided?

No, of course not because that's as insane as thinking that Biden would do anything different towards our historical political ally. It's the same as thinking that Mitt Romney wouldn't have done the same drone strikes Obama did.

I like to think of the U.S. as being on the sea, when we have a set course it doesn't matter if we begin stopping, we're on water so we will continue down that course for a short while. Each presidency historically has 2-3 years of recovery from the previous office, by the end of the 3rd year is usually when you see the current presidency policy changes affecting things. That was the case for Bush's war, the case for Obama's war, the case for Trump's operation in Syria, Somalia, and Yemen. And it's the case now for Biden with Russia and Israel - all of these were events happening prior to their presidency that they needed to make decisions on during.

So the way I see it, each election is the opportunity to set the next 2-3 years course towards something positive. Yes, Biden's response to these events is abysmal. The course we're set on is exponentially better.

Trump's response to these events likely would be just as bad, if not worse. The course we get set on as a country is about as anti-humanitarian as you can get. You're right, Trump is exponentially worse than Biden. So why even give him the time of day - why even have the notion of a chance that he could even possibly be an alternative to Biden?

That's what seems insane.

this post was submitted on 18 Jan 2024
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