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[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Because otherwise you run the risk of being bigoted about bigots. Ironic. Keep them in the open, learn what they think, be prepared to shut them down at every available opportunity - show them the error of their beliefs again and again and again. History suggests that banning things doesn’t make the problem go away. It just drives it underground, out of sight, where they can mutate and coalesce without anybody from the outside knowing or realising… then we all be fucked.

[-] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?feature=shared&t=2288

banning them is shutting them down

how do you use logic to get someone out of belief they didn't arrive at with logic

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I’m passingly familiar with Popper’s work and it probably goes some way to explaining why I advocate for public intolerance, rather than tolerance, of these sad, lost and potentially dangerous individuals. The second video was age locked - I’m sure it is full of good points - but I can’t comment on it directly. I meant a more vernacular meaning to “shut them down” - I.e. telling them firmly that they are mistaken and offering them a different insight. As for logic I’m not sure it’s much use as most extremism tends to come from the heart rather than the head, so to speak. All I hope is that I can plant a seed of doubt… whether it grows or not is beyond my control. People generally have a bit of a herd mentality - hence the growth of echo chambers online and in popular legacy media. If you spend all your time surrounded by only your own views you’ll never expand your outlook and will, in all probability, become even more entrenched. I’d hate to think what kind of a c*** I could be now if 35 years ago some people hadn’t called me out and made me reassess myself and my views towards certain sections of humanity.

[-] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

you can see different views and ban bigotry at same time

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