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[-] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 months ago

I'm completely out of the loop, what is this "sovereign citizen" nonsense?

[-] extant@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

It's mental illness and wishful thinking all wrapped up together. They believe whole heartily that if they don't agree to the rules of society they are under no obligation to follow societies rules unless a rule benefits them then they should also benefit. I'm sure there are some who are just using it to grift but I believe a majority of them honestly have some form of mental disability because I watched the trial for Darrel Brooks who decided to drive through a crowd at a parade killing six people and injuring several others and he was literally dumbfounded that he was found guilty because he believed the law didn't apply to him as a sovcit.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 22 points 10 months ago

You know how some people think that a good lawyer can get anyone out of anything if they find the right loophole? SivCits take that to an extreme using completely made up rules. For example, your name printed in ALL CAPS refers to a legal corporation, while normal case refers to you as a human being. If your name is ever printed in all caps, such as on a summons to appear in court, that doesn't actually mean you.

[-] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Oh jeez, I forgot about that one! My brother tried explaining this crap to me once, about how you can buy your identity back from Italy or something and how it's worth millions.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

They claim they don't have to follow laws because the flag has fringe on it and something, something, maritime laws. So US law doesn't apply to them.

If that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it's because Sovereign Citizen doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I think it's a wild and varied and disorganized mess dreamed up by people who have left the very idea of being reasonable far behind them long ago.

However, a crucial part of it is certain specific capitalization of words. I think some of them had been using caps lock to post rants on discus for too long and think that it has some magical meaning under law...

I say all that to say that they believe that there's a "legal entity" that is invoked when you capitalize versus plain case someone's name (amongst other things)...and that there is a difference between this "legal entity" and the person in a body...which there frankly plainly and obviously isn't.

Despite being told in court by multiple judges that the capitalization of things does not matter, they persist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement#Immunity_from_laws_and_taxes

I thought the capitalization stuff was kind of a side show, but have since realized that not only is it crucial to their belief system, it also serves as a way to identify them on the Internet. If someone strangely insists on capitalizing certain words or phrases every time they use them and is otherwise very unreasonable, there's a good chance they're a sovcit (or should I say SOVCIT? ๐Ÿ™‚).

[-] peterf@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

They beleve that the US is a corporation. This is based on wording in the constitution, but a business corporation is not really the same thing.

So when you are born, your birth certificate gives you a corporate name.

So they use a capitalised version of the name, its their "true" name and not their corporate name, so they are not liable for accounts sent to their "corporate" name.

[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I think it appears from a fundamental misunderstanding of the social contract. They disagree that they are bound by government and it's laws because they never agreed to it explicitly. They are wrong. Being born in America means your are a citizen and bound by it's rules... they still live here and utilize the infrastructure, they never renounce their citizenship and they don't leave, so it's all crappy entitlement shit to try and get out of tickets and bills and taxes

[-] wahming@monyet.cc 6 points 10 months ago
[-] lars 4 points 10 months ago

One of those rarer instances where a congrats should be in scare quotes tho

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