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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, it's called claiming ~~0 (zero)~~ exempt.

Not paying, but with the right information, seems a lot less risky (legally) than lying on IRS forms.

In fact, I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of fine print on those exact documents explaining how lying on them will "fuck yo shit right up".

Note: Exempt obviously doesn't mean you won't owe taxes, just that they won't be withheld automatically on your paychecks. It's also not uncommon in sales to go exempt for single large commission check, or bonus.

Edit: Mixed up max withholding and no withholding. Fixed now, my bad.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

The backlog on catching fraud makes it worse too. People will think they've got a good scam going for a few years before the IRS finally gets around to busting them. By that time they have multiple years of fraud and tax evasion charges all piled up.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Which is a big deal for those who aren't rich enough to drag it out as a never ending audit until they die of old age.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Isn’t it the other way around? Claiming zero means they take the maximum amount in taxes out. For every dependent you claim, they reduce the amount they take out. I’m sure there’s a cap but they guy probably thinks he can claim 99 and then not fill out his taxes.

[-] SuperEars@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

FWIW the post-2020 Form W4 did away with picking a number of allowances. Now you write in a dollar figure comprised of multiples of $2000 and $500 as Step 4 states.

Seeing a low single-digit "number of allowances" written in Step 4 spotlights who read the instructions on the form and who didn't.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

You're right, I got em switched in my early morning head. Revised to show correct terminology for no withholding.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’d argue that it’s perfectly fine to lie on those or to mark zero. It’s just a way to calculate tax withholding. If you follow it, you’re not likely to go wrong but if you don’t, it’s all on you

  • when you file taxes, you need to settle up, and that may be a shock if you haven’t withheld enough
  • there are rules for how much you had to have withheld, and that’s going to suck when they catch those fines
[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There's a HUGE difference between falsifying information (lying) on federal forms, and not having your employer withhold taxes on your paycheck.

  • The first option is federal criminal offense
  • The second option isn't
[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

IRS FAQs for W-4 say both that it’s not mandatory and how they’ll treat it if you just sign and return as in the example

I don’t believe a W-4 ever goes to the IRS, it just tells your employer how much in taxes to withhold from your pay. IRS doesn’t care, until it’s time to file taxes, then you’d better have complied with all tax regulations

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