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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Doctor_Rex@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Hello I'm Doctor_Rex I'm the OP of this post:

My Windows 10 install broke, but I'm hesitant to switch to Linux.

I'd like to start by thanking everybody who responded to my questions. Your answers have helped a lot when it came to my worries on switching to Linux.

I've taken in a lot of your recommendations: Fedora, Fedora Kinoite, Nobara, Bazzite Linux, VanillaOS,

I've decided on Fedora Kinoite, as it has everything I want from a distro.

It was very kind of you all to answer my questions but after making that post and reading your answers new questions propped up.

These questions are a little more opinionated than the last ones, and a little better thought out, but please take some time to answer them.

Questions:

  • Is Wayland worth using? Especially when you consider all the issues that may come from using an NVIDIA card.

Are there any real noticeable advantages/improvements to using Wayland over Xorg.

  • Does bloat actually matter or is it just a meme?

Does bloat actually have a noticeable negative impact on your system or are people just over reacting/joking.

  • What are some habits I should practice in order to keep my system organized and manageable?

Any habits or standards that I should abide by in order to save myself headaches in the future?

  • Any other resources besides the Arch Wiki that I should be aware of?

Self explanatory.

  • What do you wish you knew when you first started using Linux that would have saved you a headache in the future?

I'm not referring to some skill but instead something pertaining to Linux itself. Feel free to skip this question.

I'll be going to sleep soon, so apologies if I don't reply but please take a moment answer any questions you think you can.

Thank You!

Edit: ~~AUR~~ = Arch Wiki. Fixed a typo

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

Wayland is better for gaming. It has a noticeably lower latency because the entire Wayland stack is implemented in a single program (what they call the compositor) as opposed to several in the X11 stack (X server, compositor, window manager) that need to communicate with each other.

Games under X11 use DRI just like with Wayland. Beyond "create a window and handle resize events" they don't really interact with X11 or your window manager.

We should expect similar performance and indeed that's what we find:

https://www.phoronix.com/review/wayland-nv-amd-2023

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Performance is not the only factor. Running a compositor on X11 introduces a significant input latency, but turning it off caused massive screen tearing on my 60Hz monitor (I guess it's less of an issue with a higher refresh rate). I experienced it both with Picom (on Qtile and Awesome) and Kwin. I've had a far better experience on Sway, Hyprland, and Plasma-wayland.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

We're talking about gaming though?

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Yes. Both screen tearing and input latency can ruin the experience. Please elaborate, I don't know why you're asking that question.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

As somebody who games with X11 I'd love to know what "significant input latency" I'm supposed to be experiencing?

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

YMMV, I'm talking about what I experienced.

I was mainly playing Cyberpunk and FFXIV at the time. In both games, camera movement was sluggish with a compositor running. It took about a tenth of a second for the game to respond to both keypresses and mouse movements (I'm not counting gamepad inputs since bluetooth has its own latency). On the same computer, on the same 60Hz monitor, with the same GPU, using the same graphics settings, nothing like that happened with the compositor off, nor after switching to Wayland.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

I’m talking about what I experienced.

Not when you say "Wayland is better for gaming" you're not. It may be - but it also may not be. It's not clearly better and in some cases it may be clearly worse.

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