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Donald Trump ranked as worst US president in history, with Joe Biden 14th
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He was tough on the USSR, at least. Obama and Biden not arming Ukraine enough before the conflicts caused Russia to be more successful than it has any right to be
Obama tried, they passed multiple aid packages. Trump withheld the aid, which was the cause of his first impeachment.
Obama could have directly slapped Russia down in 2014, but didn't do shit. Russia was not punished enough and got more bold in 2022
Why is it Obama or Biden's responsibility to arm a foreign country?
Because for once, America is helping against an imperialist aggressor rather than encouraging it. It also happens to be in our best interest to show to other dictators how bad an idea it is.
Fight your own battles instead of proxy wars?
OK. Now we get directly involved and Russia goes nuclear, or we don't get involved at all and Russia takes over Ukraine.
so it's ok if Ukrainians die in the process. as long as it's not americans right?
You offering something better? Because I'm not seeing it.
FIght your own fight. This war by proxy shit is bunk. If he's bad enough to stop, then let's go fucking stop him. If he's not then why waste our money and their lives? It could be over tomorrow if we really wanted it to be, but we'll just string it along, drag it out. Fuel the war machine.
Because they'd go nuclear. We covered this.
you don't know that. and by being the first country to "go nuclear" they'd be putting a HUGE target on their backs. no way that would happen.
Ok, it makes things more likely to go nuclear. Now that's that settled, this is a bad idea, right?
explain your reasoning.
Prove you're not a sealion first.
Or how about this: I would love to see NATO go gloves off. We tell Poland "Hulk? Smash." and they rush across the border and reinforce Ukrainian positions. A US carrier group rolls up and sinks what remains of the Black Sea Fleet before the Admiral can get a second cup of coffee. Marines start landing in Sevastopol and the obligatory McDonalds is setup within 36 hours. F-22s body the Russian air force without even being seen. The Kerch Strait Bridge isn't just bombed, but completely taken out from end to end. What remains of Russian ground positions west of Mariupol is full of soldiers who hear rumors that NATO POW camps will give you hot food and a warm blanket, and that's sounding like a damn good deal by the end of the week.
Do you know why I don't advocate for that? Because I'm not a goddam fucking moron who thinks Putin would just accept this loss and run away.
Isn't that what I said? FIGHT YOUR OWN BATTLES??? Putin would HAVE to accept losses like this because as it is he's having a hard time keeping people IN the russian military. Losses on this scale would seal it. While we're at it just go assassinate him. Why not? leave him alive and this shit continues.
Because the US disarmed Ukraine in exchange for security promises. Time to actually live up to your promises
Russia guaranteed Ukraine security for disarmament, the UK and US made assurances.
Well, it's still shitty since everyone bullied Ukraine to disarm and then Russia invaded and the arm shipments are not enough to stop Russia from continuing to take land
Iran and North Korea are better allies than the US and that sucks for global diplomacy
oh so why don't we ACTUALLY DEFEND instead of just sending fuck tons of money are arms? like i said, this shit could be over tomorrow if anyone really wanted it to be. to many people are making too much money off of it. war is good for business incase you haven't noticed.
I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying it's better to send arms than not to send them