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Even with a living wage, workers are still the underclass, and owners the overclass. As long as class dynamics exist, and class interests conflict, the class with more power will dominate the system overall in their favor.
That's why government should be the most powerful class, which keeps the ownership class in check via strong regulation.
Government isn't a class, really, unless it owns the Means of Production in some fashion. Government takes on the characteristics of whatever class is in power, as long as there is Capitalism Government will serve the bourgeoisie.
Thanks, Captain Pedantry. What would we do without you.
It's not pedantry, you have Utopian thinking. You believe the less powerful can wield the state to suppress those with more power, simply because it's "just" for that to happen. That kind of moralistic utopinaism, ie belief that because things are "right" that they will be, without actually seeking to understand mechanics, is counterintuitive.
It's not utopianism, it's be central premise of democracy, and has been successfully done numerous times. This isn't some radical new idea. It's how our existing government is supposed to function.
That's not the central premise of democracy. The central premise of democracy is majority rule, that's not what presently exists in the US. The US is not a direct democracy, it's a representative republic specifically designed to not upset the power dynamic of Capitalists over Workers.
Were you under the impression that the Capitalists that formed the structure of the US did so along the lines of the Workers, so that the Working Class may have power? I'm sorry to tell you, but that has never happened, and any gains the Working Class has made (such as under FDR) have been absolutely torn away over time, thanks the Class dynamics influencing government that you ignore.
I'm sorry, but I'm not a Utopian like yourself, I focus on reality and existing conditions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
You truly are allergic to addressing arguments, aren't you? It must be easy to pretend you're correct if you only dodge points and misuse established terms, like class.