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[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Right, so I suppose George Lucas was stealing from all the movies that inspired his work when he made Star Wars. Or when Mel Brooks made Space Balls, as a more blatant example

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Mel Brooks’s works are protected under the Fair Use provisions for satire under the DMCA. Lucas never copied anything directly, but, if pressed, much of his work is “heavily inspired” by works in the public domain and/or could be argued to be “derivative works”, also covered by Fair Use provisions in the DMCA, although any claim of copyright violation would be pretty difficult to make in the first place.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And the same can be said about generative AI

If it's not redistributed copyrighted material, it's not theft

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And the same can be said about generative AI

not in any legally reasonable way, and certainly not by anyone who understands how AI (or, really, LLM models) work or what art is.

If it’s not redistributed copyrighted material, it’s not theft

but that's exactly what OpenAI did-- they used distributed, copyrighted works, used them as training data, and spit out result, some of which even contained word-for-word repetitions of the author's source material.

AI, unlike a human, cannot create unique works of art. it can old produce an algorithmically-derived malange of its source-data recomposited in novel forms, but nothing resembling the truly unique creative process of a living human. Sadly, too many people simply lack the ability to comprehend the difference.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

it can old produce an algorithmically-derived malange of its source-data recomposited in novel forms

Right, it produces derivative data. Not copyrighted material.

By itself without any safeguards, it absolutely could output copyrighted data, (albeit probably not perfectly but for copyright purposes that's irrelevant as long as it serves as a substitute). And any algorithms that do do that should be punished, but OpenAI's models can't do that.

Hammers aren't bad because they can be used for bludgeoning, and if we have a hammer that somehow detects that it's being used for murder and then evaporates, calling it bad is even more ridiculous.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Some safeguards have been added which curtail certain direct misbehavior, but it is still capable - by your own admission - of doing it. And it still profits from the unlicensed use of copyrighted works by using such material for its training data. Because what it is producing is not a new and unique creative work, it is a composite of copyrighted work. That is not the same thing.

And if you are comparing LLMs and hammers, you’re just proving how you fundamentally misunderstand what LLMs are and how they work. It’s a false equivalence.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

but it is still capable - by your own admission - of doing it

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And if you are comparing LLMs and hammers, you’re just proving how you fundamentally misunderstand what LLMs are and how they work

And a regular hammer is capable of being used for murder. Which makes calling a hammer that evaporates before it can be used for murder "unethical" ridiculous. You're deliberately missing the point.

And it still profits from the unlicensed use of copyrighted works by using such material for its training data

I just don't buy this reasoning. If I look at paintings of the Eiffel Tower and then sell my own painting of the building, I'm not violating the copyright of any of the original painters unless what I paint is so similar to one of theirs that it violates fair use.

it is a composite of copyrighted work

It's stable diffusion, not a composite. But even if they were composites, I'm allowed to shred a magazine and make a composite image of something else. It's fair use until I use those pieces to create a copyrighted image.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Lol… I hope you didn’t sprain something with all those mental gymnastics. In the meantime, perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more on AI, LLV’s, and, perhaps, just a little bit on art.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

Coming from someone who claimed stable diffusion was a composite image

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

OK, if you think what you just said made sense, then you either didn’t read the link you just posted or you clearly didn’t understand it. And you certainly have no clue what you’re talking about.

But you’re certainly helping to make my point for me

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

AI, unlike a human, cannot create unique works of art. it can old produce an algorithmically-derived malange of its source-data recomposited in novel forms

Find me a single sentence in that entire article that suggests AI art is composites of source data

You can't, because how it actually works is wildly different than how you want to believe it works.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The entire article explains that’s how it works. I’m sorry it’s just over your head.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Mhm, I'm sure that's why you couldn't find a single sentence about compositing images

DALL·E 2 uses a diffusion model conditioned on CLIP image embeddings, which, during inference, are generated from CLIP text embeddings by a prior model.

You're either projecting or being dishonest

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Correction: you do not comprehend what you are cherry-picking. Your ignorance and failure to understand to not make you right.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

If it's cherry-picked it should be easy to give me a single sentence, but apparently you can't lol

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I already gave it to you in a single sentence:

“You have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Even that was too difficult for you to understand.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

"your evidence is cherry-picked but I refuse to provide any of my own, why aren't you just trusting me??" very convincing

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You already provided the evidence in your link. It’s not my fault you don’t understand. Also, it’s not my job to educate you, nor to soothe your bruised ego.

I recommend some ice cream. Perhaps that will make you feel better.

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

And I provided evidence the article says something wildly different than what you want it to say, and all you have is "read it again until it says something else" lol

Also voting with two accounts is pathetic

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, you didn’t. All that you proved is that you didn’t understand what the link said. But that’s what I’ve been saying over and over.

Also voting with two accounts is pathetic

The fact that you’re so insecure that you think that’s what’s happening is what is pathetic, and so is the fact that you’ve been crying about this for two days.

Just sad.

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