Why is Ubuntu getting so much hate? it was a good entrance for many people into the Linux world
It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn't give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.
Ubuntu's use of Snap made me go back to Arch.
Emphasis on it was. It started to go downhill with Amazon integration and now we have paid security updates. They are holding back developed and available security packages for their OS!
There is no way to still recommend Ubuntu. No need to even talk about the other questionable decisions like snap.
Isn't Linux mint an Ubuntu fork? That gets recommended to tons of people who seek an entrance into the Linux world. Is it as bad as Ubuntu?
It is a fork, meaning its like ubuntu but with the bullshit that makes ubuntu bad removed. It is completly safe but if you wanna stay clear of any trace of ubuntu at all there is also a debian based version of mint
Debian Mint is the way to go now for entry in Linux if you ask me.
LMDE and PopOS are my consistent recommendations to newcomers. If one doesn’t work, the other will.
I would recommend only community maintained distros at this point... seing as how RH and Canonical went to the dark side for some things, I'd rather not recommend something maintaned by a company.
Pop-os is likely the best ubuntu flavored OS to recommend. It has nice features like solid gaming intergration and an optional tiling manager, all without snaps.
It USED to be OK. Now, it's just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.
Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I've been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I've never seen an ad for anything.
They don't really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.
Pro features ads are right there when you do apt update or apt upgrade (can't remember which one of these, maybe both).
Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don't personally consider that an ad.
Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol
They forced Firefox's default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.
Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.
Forcing people's primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.
Well, yeah. It's not actually an add, but it does say that there are pro features available (can't remember exactly what it said). It's just pushy, not something I'd expect to see in a Linux distro.
I don't like either, I always use native pacakges. I repackage what is not available for the distro I currently use. It's just simpler IMO. One pacakge manager, all apps are available system wide, so if I decide to switch accounts or someone else might wanna use my computer/laptop, no prob, just log in as Guest, do whatever, log out.
Is this also true for headless servers? I’ve been using Ubuntu via SSH for 15 years now and it’s always been fine for me but I’ve also never run the desktop version (for more than a few days anyway.)
I just installed it on a scavenged workstation last month to use as a media server and I didn’t notice anything unusual.
Edit:
While we’re at it, what does the hive mind think I should be using instead for turning old trash PCs into shitty servers? The only thing Lemmy has taught me so far is that Ubuntu sucks and the only truly honorable choice is to quit my job and stop speaking to my family so that I can devote my life to installing drivers on unstable Arch. Also, I’m supposed to buy some thigh-high stockings and learn to tuck apparently?
Firefox snap doesn't work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.
Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.
One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?
I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you'd be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.
Need to use Ubuntu at work on some of the machines. Canonical distributes broken packages and has done this for years.
They do so also when the package on Debian is fine. So they take the Debian package, add breakage and release it.
Ubuntu is a pile of crap, but still better than Windows.
Yeah, like 20 years ago. Things change. Hoary Hedgehog was my first real daily driver, and I miss what Ubuntu was. But that Ubuntu is no more.
These days I use Debian for that old school no-BS Ubuntu feel. If I'm gonna use a .deb based distro, might as well use the granddaddy of them all.
Ubuntu is great. I use it on laptops, desktops, servers and IoT devices. We use it on thousands of corp workstations at my workplace too.
Part of it is the fact that Ubuntu is an entry level sort of OS, it's been simplified down and made easy. So the sort of people who have it are often less tech-savvy, and when something does go wrong, they ask a lot of pretty basic seeming questions.
This isn't helped by some of Canonical's design choices. Nothing overt, but Ubuntu has a flavor that's distinctly Ubuntu, and knowledge of other distros is sometimes a detriment in solving problems.
Canonical is also a company that just rubs some people the wrong way. There was some data collection shit where they asked users to opt-out of collection, after installing the data collection app.
Then there's Snaps... it's their own unique take on program management. Which is a Canonical thing, reinventing the wheel so that they can have their own unique little thing. Like Mir and Unity, which were then both abandoned to the community.
It's good that the community can take over when Canonical drops something, but still...
Ubuntu hasn't been user friendly in a long time. Linux mint on the other hand nails it completely. I still use it in a few VMs
Ubuntu is fine as long as you avoid the default gnome. Xubuntu and kubuntu derivatives have been solid daily drivers for years now. Plenty of online support.
Linux users are famous for e-peen measuring and tearing each other down.
We destroy ourselves. Lol
Yes, but that also kind of drives us to be better at it 🤔... kinda...
Still, I do agree, a dose of it is OK, but constantly, no.
"BE BETTER AT HAVING DIFFERENT SUBJECTIVE PREFERENCES" - some Linux guy probably
"The Pianist" (2002), btw. In case anyone didn't know and was wondering.
Ubuntu is fine as a gateway drug imo. It hasn't made the best decisions over time though, but I appreciate it's contribution regardless.
I have old history with Linux and am just coming back. I did my first test build for my office to get away from the dying Windows 10/avoiding 11. I went with a basic Linux Mint cinnamon build, got our network printer and core software working. Will you let me live?
Yes, but you better be installing arch on your toaster by next week.
I went to install Arch and it did not seem easy. I opted for Cinnamon Mint.
Try Void it has an installer 😉.
Kidding, stick to Mint until you feel ready you can take a bigger bite. And do opt for the Debian Edition Mint.
Not to sound condescending, but I'd like to caution against this language. Mint is a perfectly fine OS to run permanently and never look back, and you absolutely can take a bigger bite while never having to install another OS. Distros are for the most part just a jumping off point and a set of defaults.
I agree though, LMDE stronk
I hope you mean LMDE mint
Me: "I use Arch btw!"
Still gets shot
Arch user! Burn him!
Why they shoot him? With ak's No, no
He need one of these
We need to make sure to get rid of them snaps
I use Arch btw
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