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It USED to be OK. Now, it's just bloat, ads for snaps and pro features.
Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I've been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I've never seen an ad for anything.
They don't really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.
Pro features ads are right there when you do
apt updateorapt upgrade(can't remember which one of these, maybe both).Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don't personally consider that an ad.
Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol
They forced Firefox's default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.
Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.
Forcing people's primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.
Smart move 👍.
Out of curiosity, what do you use now? LMDE?
I bounced around to Debain and opensuse tumbleweed, but landed on pop-os. Ubuntu without snap nonsense, optional i3 tiling manager implementation, "just works."
For the server side, ive moved to Debian. Nothing lost at all.
Well, yeah. It's not actually an add, but it does say that there are pro features available (can't remember exactly what it said). It's just pushy, not something I'd expect to see in a Linux distro.
I don't like either, I always use native pacakges. I repackage what is not available for the distro I currently use. It's just simpler IMO. One pacakge manager, all apps are available system wide, so if I decide to switch accounts or someone else might wanna use my computer/laptop, no prob, just log in as Guest, do whatever, log out.
https://linuxiac.com/ubuntu-once-again-angered-users-by-placing-ads/
So you're saying the crime is that developers... Want people to use the software they created?
??????
There is no crime. I just don't like pushy messages or suggestions. I like using native packages. I don't like using Snaps/Flatpaks/AppImages. Stop suggesting me to use them!
Is this also true for headless servers? I’ve been using Ubuntu via SSH for 15 years now and it’s always been fine for me but I’ve also never run the desktop version (for more than a few days anyway.)
I just installed it on a scavenged workstation last month to use as a media server and I didn’t notice anything unusual.
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While we’re at it, what does the hive mind think I should be using instead for turning old trash PCs into shitty servers? The only thing Lemmy has taught me so far is that Ubuntu sucks and the only truly honorable choice is to quit my job and stop speaking to my family so that I can devote my life to installing drivers on unstable Arch. Also, I’m supposed to buy some thigh-high stockings and learn to tuck apparently?
I usually use Debian for servers, which would be fine for you because Ubuntu is(was?) based on it, so it's still got apt and some other similarities.
Mint or Pop!_OS I think is the current popular non-shitty entry level OSes.
I use Debian headless for my media server and mint cinnamon on the desktop. I don't care for anything vaguely Gnome 3.
I personally go for Debian over Ubuntu as its simpler and doesn't have a lot of overhead.
Honestly if you don't have a problem then don't worry about it. I just have noticed Ubuntu server takes way for resources and the extras such as snap and cloud init add extra complexity
I've been dist updating my fileserver for a decade and noticed over the last year or so that I'm using considerably more disk space than I expected on my OS drive. I see a lot of Snap installs (which I'd rather not use), and am getting messages from apt update telling me there's additional security packages if I switch to some Ubuntu paid subscription or something.
I don't really care to look more into it. I've been meaning to rebuild the hardware anyways, and will probably install Arch or Debian.
I'm an arch desktop user, but I'd never use it for a server. Debian for that please.
I've been using it for desktop for the last 2 years and haven't had any issues preventing me from booting (that werent self-caused). I'm actually quite impressed with how well it works, but I do have what I consider a healthy distrust of the AUR and tend to stay away unless I can't find a solution to my problem in the official repos.
What makes you hesitant to use it as server?
Void. The speed difference is unmeasurable, especially when using old equipment. Plus it still supports x86. If you're used to the terminal, you won't notice a difference, trust me... except a lot more speed and less RAM usage.
Everything works pretty much out of the box in Void. Hardware doesn't work? Try installing some of the firmware binary blobs (firmware-intel, firmware-broadcom, etc.). Check the hardware manufacturer and model with
lspciorlsusb(depending on how the hardware is connected to the PC). 99% of the time, the thing works after firmware packages are installed 👍.No, just be open minded to new things and have a reddit account for asking questions/getting support... cuz the Void team didn't join the protest and their subreddit is still the official help forum for Void.
Void isn't a industry standard and takes lo get to setup. You can use what you find easier though.
No Linux distro is an "industry standard"... if you're thinking of POSIX compatible.
Well, there are 2, one is that distro Huawei made and I forgot the other one. But basically, those two are the only ones that are POSIX certified.
Industry standard means you can find support for it easily. Void has a wiki but you don't find a lot of users with void knowledge. Its just something to keep in mind.
That is true, info regarding it can mostly be found on Reddit.