These people sound like exact copies of the people saying voting in 2000 didn't matter, and that turned out to be the most politically consequential of my lifetime. Gore was imperfect as they all are, but holy fuck did Dubya fuck up literally everything he touched.

Among many, many, many things, Dubya started forever wars killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. He accelerated oil and gas production, absolutely setting the Climate Change world on a pace for disaster. He seated Alito, unquestionably the biggest monster currently on the Supreme Court. And he passed a monster tax cut for the rich that set us on this path of unrestrained deficit spending.

And that's just the headlines. Remember when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court? lol

Gen X already tried this 25 years ago and it fucked the world up so badly that we need to be saved by the future generations. Imagine not learning that lesson and doing it again.

There are legitimate criticisms to be had of Biden, but in every case, Trump is unambiguously worse. If Trump were pro-Palestine, I could maybe understand single-issue voters preferring him to Biden...but he's not.

To be honest, I have little hope for 2024. Genuine fake news is rampant, and in pretty much every case it hurts Biden (misinformation about the economy, etc.). I'll be voting a straight Dem ticket in my very red state, and hoping against all hope that uninformed voters somehow do the right thing.

"Sure, I made the ongoing genocide worse, but at least I didn't vote for GENOCIDE JOE" - Useful idiots for the Israeli far-right

A critical refinement of this point: By all means, please do vote for whichever actual progressive candidate you favor in your state's Democratic primary. This is not sarcasm; do it. But when the general election comes around Biden is inevitably the candidate anyway, do whatever it takes to keep Trump out of office.

I just can't wait for those of us in the queer community to either be thrown in camps or flee the company, all so that the people who didn't vote can tell me it's actually because of Biden.

Reading these comments, it feels people are having a giant trolley problem moment. Do I vote for Biden and throw the switch so fewer people die, or do I not do it and let more people die, but at least I'm not complicit then?

You're right but a bunch of people just don't care anymore and I can't totally blame them. I'll be voting biden because I always vote, but this is on democrats 100% if they can't motivate their base.

Did people forget that Trump was up Netanyahu's ass during his presidency?

Don't forget the Deportation Force that's going to round up 11 million people and deport them. I wish I was joking.

You guys wouldn't have this clusterfuck if you just had a parliamentary system. Don't like the non-reactionary liberal candidate? Great, just vote for whoever else you like, and even if they don't win, they can still join efforts with the lesser evil to make sure the far right doesn't return to power. It also has the added benefit that it doesn't force the whole right wing of the country to cater to the rabid reactionaries on the rise, because those just make a different party that has to balance the distribution of their power with their less mad allies.

This should be a lovely comment section... I'll have to return with some nice warm dinner and a drink later.

I feel like posts like these always fail to realize how fucked of a situation US 'democracy' is in where you must vote for one shitty candidate because the other is literally a fascist.

Like no actually some people have decided that the entire system is untenable - they no there's a lesser of two evils, but they refuse to partake of an illegitimate system.

So maybe we need a third option. I don't know, maybe a candidate that isn't an evil geriatric white man that can barely finish a sentence?

I try to think that hopefully Trump would get stonewalled enough that he wouldn’t be able to get any of this done.

Then I realize that he seriously does not care. He doesn’t give a shit about Congress, or checks and balances. He and his party have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in the system of “law and order” that they cling so close to.

Who’s gonna stop him? His courts? An impeachment? Antifa gonna go out and storm Pennsylvania Ave and live up to their damn name, which somehow became an insult?

The fact that this man is on a ballot in any state is shameful. The GOP of just a dozen fucking years ago would have tossed him out on his ass in a second. Somehow since then, Romney, McCain, and Liz Cheney have become the sole voices of reason within the party. One got blackballed, one got censured, and the other one died.

I’d love to make a glib analogy like ‘my toast got burnt so I burned my house down and most of the neighbourhood’ but the literal fact that so many people are suffering makes that sort of thing rather tasteless.

I don’t think Biden is “Genocide Joe”. That’s ridiculous hyperbole which doesn’t help. We (the public) don’t know what kind of pressure is being levered in the background to end all the horrors of this situation.

People not voting Dem merely because of difficult historical relationships with Israel are dangerously deluded.

If we don't at least pretend to be willing to wield our voting power to influence our govt, we might as well give up and accept we live in an oligarchy.

Sometimes just the threat of violence is enough to get people to act. Biden has already changed his administrations public stance and rhetoric towards Israel at merely the risk of losing votes. Ideally it would have been because of the loss of human lives, but beggars can't be choosers.

ITT: Right wing trolls pretend to be leftists.

Are you telling me your democracy is held together with tape and needles ?

it's not the responsibility of voters to vote for certain politicians, it's the responsibility of the politicians to represent people so they vote for them.

if you think joe biden is gonna lose then you gotta force joe biden to take more popular positions (he is literally running right now it's the time you make up your platform), not yell at people "refusing" to vote for him as if they are just petulant children refusing to eat their veggies and act like the most logical and rational option is locking your vote for joe biden and whoever disagrees just cannot understand the correctness of your reasoning.

(to be clear i'm not american but it's just ridiculous how many times i have heard this exact song and dance)

This feel like a shocked Pikachu meme where Biden is surprised the left despised him when the Democratic party does nothing at all progressive.

Seriously. I have a hunch that if Trump were president this would be happening regardless except he would be saying how people should be assaulting Palestinians or something like that.

Instead Palestinians have huge support from U.S. citizens, the non/anti-Zionist ones anyway.

If only there were more candidates to choose from than these two genocide lovers.