[x-post] Welp that answers a lot of why all .ml are down (i.imgur.com)

submitted 1 year ago by southernwolf@pawb.social to c/tech@pawb.social

17 comments fedilink hide all child comments

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/1473025

https://very.bignutty.xyz/notes/9hf13it1ced3b2za

This seems like it may be the root cause of the recent server issues, I had to guess. Probably a lot of federation issues if the .ml domains went down all at once. Probably why it's not that smart to use a domain owned by a (nominally) hostile foreign government, just saying...

top 17 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[-] LemUrun@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago

lemmy_fmhy_ml was my main instance…

Now it’s pawb.social. I wanted .social instance and this was the first in awesome-lemmy-instances repo on GitHub.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

Well, that's awesome - welcome to the party! :)

[-] LemUrun@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks. Also, I like furries (I'm not 100% a furry though, I'm not a fan of this identifying as animal thing). I'm just a human lol

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 11 points 1 year ago

That's okay, you're still welcome. ;)

For the record, we don't 'identify as' animals, either. (You might be confusing furries with therians.) We're just a fandom dedicated to anthropomorphic animals. Most of us have characters we've created that represent us, or idealized versions of us, but if you're referring to folks who believe they actually are an animal, that's not furries. (Or, maybe more accurate, it's a subset of furries.)

Either way, though... humans are fine, too. ;)

[-] TerrorBite@meow.social 4 points 1 year ago

@LemUrun @southernwolf Yay, we're awesome!

Wait, this isn't my Lemmy account, I'm still on my mastodon

[-] hare_ware@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Why were they using .ml domains?

[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago

Well, the assumption is because the two Lemmy devs are huge tankes, so using the .ml domain suites them, since it can mean "Marxism-Leninism."

[-] Xanvial@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Isn't it because it's free?
Pretty sure fmhy.ml is not managed by lemmy dev.
Also in tech world ML usually means machine learning.

[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, that's another core issue. The provider of the .ml domains is being sued by Meta for cybersquatting, and it also has gotten in trouble with ICANN before too. So it was in trouble, even if the Mali hadn't done what they did. And their actions make sense too in taht context, that's a lot of potential revenue for Mali in offering .ml domains, much like Tuvalu did with .tv domains.

Also yeah, in most circles it would mean Machine Learning. The Lemmy devs aren't that... Just for reference, pawb.social is de-federated from the devs other major instance, Lemmygrad.ml, because of their actions there. I can't speak for fmhy.ml, but I saw it got hit with the same issues due to the .ml domain. They are on a .net now, iirc.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I've seen the claim that lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are run by the same person/team many times, and am wondering if you've found any sources on that? I'm not saying it's incorrect or the devs aren't problematic, I'm just trying trying to find a reputable source.

I've been trying to look myself, and so all I've found is that "someone" claims that lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml resolve to the same IP ( https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106839809077880828 ), which it doesn't as of June this year, and an uncited comment on whatever Prolewiki is.

[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, here's pretty good evidence for that. This is one of the admins of Lemmygrad, and based on the communities he runs alone it shows he is involved in the development of Lemmy. Further still, is this comment by him where he says he created an issue to be added on the Lemmy Github. The GitHub thread shows it was made by one of the two Lemmy devs.

That's definitely some of the clearer evidence that they are involved in the ownership of Lemmygrad. Also just noticed that the .ml domain sites are back online. Wonder how that happened?

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

Ah, that's a shame. Thanks for pointing me to that.

Still, AGPL and federation means that the entire ecosystem doesn't have to agree with his views or his direction when developing the software.

[-] hare_ware@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Anyone can post a GitHub issue, but if you scroll through the commit log, they do seem to have push access, or at the very least, get their PRs accepted often, same for Jerboa.

[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a duo that develops it, so it's one of the two. And likely both that control Lemmygrad.

[-] hare_ware@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Ohh, that explains why I only see all the people complaining about commies and almost no actual commies. I'm starting to really not like how this federation thing works, it really feels like Twitter block lists, except it's completely out of my control. We're already getting blocked by a lot of people for being a furry instance and this instance blocks a ton of stuff I probably wouldn't mind seeing even if I don't like it. And I'm not really sure how viable a single user instance is especially with all that in context, and with everyone else you could talk to getting echoboxed like that.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

What instances defederate with us? As far as I know, pawb.social seems to be in pretty good standing with all of the other common instances.

[-] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oof, that's a major headache.

this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2023

40 points (97.6% liked)

Furry Technologists

1277 readers

1 users here now

Science, Technology, and pawbs

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

Soatok@pawb.social

stefenauris@pawb.social