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How dark is Mars compared to Earth in a very practical sense? (lemmy.world)
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I don't care about the math and statistics. I went looking for visual comparisons, where image exposure is adjusted to show how a sunny day on both planets really compares, but I didn't find anything.

During the last partial solar eclipse in SoCal, I thought, "I wonder how close this really is to how Mars feels." It was eerie (as always) with a clear sky, and sun near noon, but feeling colder than I should (obviously Mars is FAR colder), and with dimmer light.

Our eyes have an enormous dynamic range. That is not exactly intuitive to most people. Still, I was hoping to find some way or reference that captures the experience of the sun on Mars, and really the emotional impact of what it means to stand on Mars at solar noon with human eyes.

Our pictures of Mars are all adjusted for optimal exposure, but that makes it intuitively seem very Earth like when in reality it is like a next level Neo Exo-Antarctic, even under the warmest of days under direct sunlight. What is that really like?

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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 65 points 9 months ago

Excellent question. From first principles: mars is about 1.5 AU from the sun. Using the intensity equation (inverse square law), Mars should receive about 1/(1.5x1.5) the amount of solar radiation, or about 44% on average.

Earth gets about 1400 W/m² hitting the top of the atmosphere, but most places on earth only see about 1000 W/m² after the column of air absorbs a bunch of it. Martian air absorbs almost nothing (being very thin), so you'd expect to see about 44% of 1400W/m² -- or about 600W/m².

A quick Google search for "mars solar intensity" shows a result of 590 W/m², so that is pretty close to accurate, from first principles.

So 60% as bright, if talking pure intensity. As you say, the human eye has a pretty responsive dynamic range, and this is quite an acceptable number.

For point of comparison, this is the difference between the sun at high noon versus the sun at 4pm for most of the world. On Mars, high noon would have a solar intensity more like 4pm on earth. No where close to your darkness experience with the eclipse.

[-] double_oh_walter@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago

Excellent answer! Sciency enough and a very tangible comparison.

[-] CanadaPlus 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I'm not even going to submit mine, now. I'll just add that subjective brightness is also going to depend on what you're used to. A light that's very bright at nighttime might not even be visible during the day.

I seem to remember reading that Titan, in the outer solar system and under a layer of smog, would be twilight-ish.

[-] kittehx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

With regards to the eclipse it would depend on how much of the sun is covered though. I'd assume it'd about the same as you'd get during a partial eclipse when the sun is 40% covered?

[-] CanadaPlus 1 points 9 months ago

And from experience, I can tell you that's very underwhelming. You can't even really tell unless you put on the glasses and look.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Effectively, yes

[-] neptune@dmv.social 14 points 9 months ago

Mars is 1.52 AU from the sun, or 1.52x further than Earth, so the inverse square law says 43% less sun power. But the atmosphere is thinner and a different composition.

To know how the human eye actually operates on Mars, one would have to get a human eye to Mars.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Red rover, red rover, send a human eye over.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

And, that eye would still need to be attached to a human. A living one. No shortcuts just launching the eye in a jar ;)

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Oh, man, you should have said something an hour ago. Now what am I going to do with these jars?

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

And the other eye…

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

What if we connect that eye to a neurolink?

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

It will quickly become festered with ads about where to buy a Cybertruck.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Time delay would be super disorienting to livestream it into your ocular nerve or something... But sure!

[-] Pietson@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I wonder if a human could even properly make sense of the difference after spending so long on a ship between the planets. Plenty of time to adjust

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is more in line with what I was asking. The sun seems to have a psychological impact on humans. I wonder what that impact would be under both relentless cold conditions, but also when the sun never quite feels the same.

I mean, it is obviously subjective and not critical to the functioning of life or anything like that, but it just seems like one of those very subtle "death by a thousand cuts" kinds of elements that might become noticeable over time.

I don't think anyone would directly perceive the effects in a binary logic kind of way. It would be like times when our local region is covered in thin high atmospheric clouds for weeks on end. It becomes more noticeable over time that this amount of light is not normal. I wonder about that awareness of "this is not normal" having more long term impact on psychology, not profound impacts, just some impact. I thought maybe someone had already posted images somewhere on the interwebs exploring this, but haven't found any.

[-] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Depends entirely on the ship's lighting.

[-] Pietson@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

I guess I meant more about how well you'd actually remember the brightness on earth after being on route so long rather than your eyes physically adjusting

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago

I don’t care about the math and statistics. I went looking for visual comparisons, where image exposure is adjusted to show how a sunny day on both planets really compares, but I didn’t find anything.

Congrats on ignoring the point of op’s request, as well as…

To know how the human eye actually operates on Mars, one would have to get a human eye to Mars.

…providing a completely useless non-answer. Do you work in politics or PR, by any chance?

[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I'm wondering if you'd be able to feel the warmth of the sun on your skin through a hypothetical martian window, probably only faintly.

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