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Boys and men from generation Z are more likely than older baby boomers to believe that feminism has done more harm than good, according to research that shows a “real risk of fractious division among this coming generation”.

On feminism, 16% of gen Z males felt it had done more harm than good. Among over-60s the figure was 13%.

The figures emerged from Ipsos polling for King’s College London’s Policy Institute and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership. The research also found that 37% of men aged 16 to 29 consider “toxic masculinity” an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the number of young women who don’t like it.

“This is a new and unusual generational pattern,” said Prof Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute. “Normally, it tends to be the case that younger generations are consistently more comfortable with emerging social norms, as they grew up with these as a natural part of their lives.”

Link to study: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

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[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd wager that people who think that couldn't give you a coherent definition of what feminism actually is.

God fucking forbid women receive equal treatment or autonomy over their bodies!

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is there a coherent definition of feminism that feminists agree on?

(I think that people's opinion about feminism is commonly their opinion about self-identified feminists. It's fair to say "I believe feminism is harmful because the opinions I have heard self-identified feminists express have often seemed ridiculous, offensive, or counterproductive" without needing a definition of feminism that goes beyond self-identification.)

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The definition I found that popped up on google pretty well sums up what I have always heard women say.

The advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes

It's really that simple. It's not a women over men movement. It's a movement to receive the same respect, rights, and inclusion that men have enjoyed basically forever. They want the right to make decisions about their body. They'd like to maybe not be victims of sexual assault and rape and staggering percentages (about 1 in 6 American women will be raped in their lifetime). They'd like to have a better chance at corporate leadership (10% of fortune 500 CEOs are women). They'd like to have more of a footprint in government (roughly 28% of the US congress is female and this is a record high).

They just want equity and respect and they deserve it.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's an essay that I agree with about that sort of definition.

Here's a relevant excerpt:

I feel like every single term in social justice terminology has a totally unobjectionable and obviously important meaning – and then is actually used a completely different way.

The closest analogy I can think of is those religious people who say “God is just another word for the order and beauty in the Universe” – and then later pray to God to smite their enemies. And if you criticize them for doing the latter, they say “But God just means there is order and beauty in the universe, surely you’re not objecting to that?”

The result is that people can accuse people of “privilege” or “mansplaining” no matter what they do, and then when people criticize the concept of “privilege” they retreat back to “but ‘privilege’ just means you’re interrupting women in a women-only safe space. Surely no one can object to criticizing people who do that?”

Let's say that, for example, I affirmed my belief that people should be hired based on their ability rather than on their sex, but then I said that there are more men than women in software development mainly due to biological differences. That doesn't go against your definition, but do you think most feminists would react well to it? They didn't when James Damore said it, or when the president of Harvard said something similar...

(This is despite the fact that it's commonly accepted that biological differences between the sexes are the main reason why there are more men than women who are violent criminals.)

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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feminism is not needed in places or situations where rights and treatment are equal. I live in a country when genders have equal rights. The only thing that makes gender unequal are people treating woman better because they thing society threat them worse.

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Based on his comment I don’t think he knows any

[–] maness300@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Feminism has 100% turned into a push for superiority, not equality.

Modern feminists believe it's "their turn" to be the abusers.

Just listen to the disparaging jokes we've all heard them make towards men and imagine how they would react if the same things were said about women.

[–] raunz@mander.xyz -1 points 1 year ago

100%. What's your proof? Jokes. Ok buddy

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering the kind of feminists that are extremely loud today, and how they're borderline, if not literally, misandrist... I'm not entirely surprised.

This, of course, leaves them wide open to suggestion from bad actors like Andrew Tate.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LOL people have vomited precisely what you just said for 100 years on this subject. Of course, 100 years ago, they were using the police to torture women who wanted to vote, so maybe there is progress.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, no they didn't. But hey, who am I to expect current day militant brainlets to be educated in history?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol right to the personal attack. Grow up

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