this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2023
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[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God I appreciate these dudes. I don't envy them one bit right now...

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, very difficult situation, I truly hope they'll find the help they need.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Well, I'm lending a hand. I have some patches in production already, and I've only been contributing for a week or so.

If you have the means, please help out. There are tons of bugs, important features, etc, and it's a pretty stable base, so it's a good time to jump in.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh I'd love to do more but I'm not a developer :(

Only things I can do is donating and helping other people by answering questions (if I know the answers ofc, still learning myself).

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, that's super helpful by itself!

There are a couple other things you may be about to do as well, such as:

  • translations - if you speak another language; I'm happy to help guide
  • filing bugs/commenting on bugs on GitHub with information on how to reproduce

But honestly, just engaging with people here is super helpful.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the advice!!

I don't have a github account yet (only "lurked" there so far) but I'm going to create one in case I find something to contribute for bugs.

As for language, yeah English is not my first language, there's a server dedicated to people from my country, no idea if they're already contributing to localization but I'll go check.

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[–] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you for doing this

[–] NotSpez@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Gang, I'd never pay for reddit gold but I sure as h*ck will pay monthly to support lemmy. You all should too!

[–] dystop@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago
[–] iie@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you for all your work.

[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For us maintainers (dessalines and nutomic), it has resulted in an endless stream of questions and notifications, which is impossible to keep up with. Previously there were 5 - 10 Github notifications per day; now they have risen to over 100 daily.

That is what i was worried about, Feedback for developers probably correlates with the number of active users , more users mean more feedback (github issues and comments) and more stuff to read, I thought this might not be a problem because i looked at mastodon and didn't see a lot of issues getting opened in a day, but it's the comments that could be the real problem, unless you will improve your funding and start hiring more people (even temporarily hiring freelancers) things will probably get worst and you will lose a lot of good feedback.

We are increasingly reliant on user donations to pay our bills. These donations currently add up to 1500 Euros per month, which is not even enough to pay minimum wage for the two of us. Hopefully more users can consider donating, so that we can put our full attention to making Lemmy better for everyone, and possibly add more developers to our worker co-op in the future.

looking at liberapay , patreon and opencollective my calculation says you are getting about 4465 dollars (2714+217.58*4.345+806) when this comment was written , that's about 0.15 dollar per active user (assuming about 28K monthly active users).

For comparison beehaw has about 3069 monthly active users and got this month (6/1/2023 -> 6/17/2023) about $3,461.60 ( 1.12 dollar per user, probably better then reddit for most of it's history).

So i am pretty sure the problem is with getting funding (most people are not aware of the option to donate, or/and are not convinced or incentived to do it). Lemmy should work on it's conversation rate.

If you are interested, i worked for a while on a guide to help fund open source and got some good feedback on it, maybe you will find it useful.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

From what I've seen, the fediverse generally is doing a rather poor job of normalising donations from users. If you have some expertise or experience in this domain, and are willing, I'd urge you to just get involved and gather people or whatever you can to create better tools or design patterns or strategies for this.

I suspect there's trepidation from developers to get to "pushy" with donations and so turn off their user base, and yet they don't really no how to go about it well and so it just becomes a lost issue when in reality it is central to a "free" fediverse.

I also worry that getting this right earlier rather than later is important. As people join the fediverse, they absorb the culture, norms and design language of the place. The earlier donations are just a normal part of things, the sooner they're actually normalised.

[–] christian@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's upsetting to see the shit-talking because I imagine reading that nonsense is emotionally draining, especially when you're already stressed out with a billion things to do. I've seen you guys active in the lemmy community for years and you've always been wonderful. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the work you two have put in and are currently putting in. I'm really happy that your project is starting to catch on.

[–] StankFlipper@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Agreed! I love the laid back feel of this community and not all the hostility you see everywhere else. With growth comes change though, so I hope the spirit of this group endures.

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