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CEO Steve Huffman says tech giants should not be able to trawl Reddit’s huge store of data for free. But that information came from users, not the company

That “corpus of data” is the content posted by millions of Reddit users over the decades. It is a fascinating and valuable record of what they were thinking and obsessing about. Not the tiniest fraction of it was created by Huffman, his fellow executives or shareholders. It can only be seen as belonging to them because of whatever skewed “consent” agreement its credulous users felt obliged to click on before they could use the service.

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[–] impulse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that what really made me delete my account early (I initially wanted to wait until the 30th to see how things play out) was the ridiculous number of people defending this bullshit and promoting the official Reddit app as the superior option.

Some going as far as saying 3rd party devs are leeches and scammers.

I can only tolerate so much stupidity and ignorance before I bail.

[–] LittleKerr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wait, you mean there's people -actual real and not-paid by who knows people- who believes that the official Reddit app is superior?? I know a few that believe it's not thaaat bad, but 'superior'? Lmao

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I see this kind of behavior happen a lot online, and asked ChatGPT about it:

Yes, there is a term that describes this phenomenon. It's called "oppositional belief perseverance" or "belief polarization." This term refers to the tendency of individuals to cling to their initial beliefs even when presented with evidence that contradicts those beliefs. In the context you described, someone may initially take the opposite side of a discussion due to an opposition bias, but over time, they may start to internalize and genuinely believe the opposing viewpoint, thereby demonstrating belief polarization.

[–] gorillakitty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This chatgpt comment brought to you from comments on reddit

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

People can convince themselves of anything.

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[–] Mysteriousdillpickle@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It’s over u/spez I have the high ground

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[–] zalack@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It's nice to see an older author on a more traditional platform have such a clear and informed opinion on something deeply steeped in internet culture.

I recognize this is agism on my part, but I was surprised when I saw his picture.

[–] arkhan@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Why would that surprise you? It was people his age who created the Internet and the World Wide Web. (Of course they weren’t that age back then, but you get the idea. :-)

There are fewer Internet-savvy old people, for sure, but when you do find one, they are more likely to be pre-web or web 1.0 “information wants to be free“ types. Younger users may have grown up in a more corporate space with a very different philosophy towards the Internet.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was a very strong libertarian "The Internet will set us free from the tyranny of nation-states" 90s techno-optimism for awhile, but it seems to have died out as any kind of mainstream philosophy

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[–] zalack@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For sure. Like I said, it's totally my bias showing. Maybe it's seeing too many congressmen fundamentally misunderstand the tech. I've also run into a lot of older programmers that are highly technical, but still kind of out-of-touch when it comes to the Internet culture that sits on top of the technical layer.

[–] arkhan@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

100% with you. Watching any kind of congressional hearing that relates to technology is so incredibly frustrating. I was also really happy to see mainstream journalism specifically acknowledge that Reddit is really just a web-enabled version of old newsgroups or discussion boards, and that all the value is provided by users. If only everyone thought that way!

[–] Finkler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Defiantly a pre-web here I recall running two BBS on a couple of Compaq 286's. Being here on the fediverse reminds me a lot of those fun times and certainly looking forward to the future here.

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

It is pretty exciting but my modem doesn't make cool noises anymore.

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[–] Senseibu@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This was my thought as well, I actually don’t mind OpenAI trawling my content to train their models, I’m benefiting from their end product in so many ways already. The internet was always public, no one asked for stupid ceos to step in and stop that. How is it Ok for Google webcrawlers, but not OpenAI? Also it’s not like I can monitise my posts and comments myself on my own anyway.

The whole locking down the API due to AI model scraping excuse was poor, it should be a decision for the community of reddit.

Starting to wonder if Reddit are going to train their own AI models or have already started.

Also, that journalist from the guardian, if you go to the website linked, looks like an older John Oliver or John Oliver’s dad 😂

[–] wheresyourshoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

spez should start paying the redditors, especially the mods, with that logic. He gets it all for free and now he wants to profit while we would have to pay.

[–] Hnazant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Never thought about it like that. There's youtube millionaires from posting content. Imagine an only fans going private and the service was all "nah, get back in there".

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pay the unwashed masses? Please. They should be thankful his highness deigned to create such a platform similarly to the way the landed gentry should be thankful for their high position.

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's unclear to me to what extent this actually happens, but some people say reddit mods get offers to promote or allow certain posts for thousands a month. It would make sense on subs that have a seriously large audience.

[–] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn't Facebook starting to pay some contributors?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Some sort of profit sharing arrangement seems to be the trend in social media these days. YouTube has a setup like that of course... Instagram and TikTok both pay people (max of like 100 a month i think) and Twitter is planning to start.

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[–] LachlanUnchained@lemmyunchained.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

If they are going to capitalise on our content and data, are they going to start paying out to users like YouTube and other platforms?

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Funniest thing to do is honestly replace your old comments with ChatGPT refusals. If you put "As an AI language model" everywhere, it'll really mess with the ML algorithms to make your data useless.

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[–] xc2215x@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Spez doesn't care anyways. He will demand his way no matter what.

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