Yo why is this thread still here?!
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I know Max doesn't need the help but my god Perez does not deserve that Red Bull put Norris in it or something.
Put Albon back in that car, now that he has the experience. He's proving how good he is at Williams.
+1 for putting Norris in as a fan. However if I was Red Bull management I'd keep giving him one year contracts until be becomes a liability. They've got constructors nailed on and a clear driver hierarchy. It's ideal for them.
Yeah they need what Bottas was to Hamilton, up there but never making a serious challenge for number 1 like Rosberg did. Then again Max is so dominant that maybe fixing what's not broken isn't an issue.
I think if I was at Red Bull my primary concern would be Checo getting so demoralised that he becomes a burden.
I call bullshit. Are you forgetting that Perez is still #2 in the WDC? And can we agree that none of Max's teammates have been able to drive the car, likely because the fact that it rotates around the nose is harder to drive for most people?
Do I like where Checo has finished lately? No. Does he deserve the seat? Absolutely. Hell, he was within one point if Verstappen earlier this year. You MIGHT be blowing this out of proportion. The car is great, but Max is the one that can squeeze the most of out it, whether by design or circumstance. That doesn't make Perez any worse of a driver.
Look at Ricciardo coming from McLaren and jumping into the Red Bull sim. The team said his form was unrecognizable. Lando would probably be TERRIBLE in the Red Bull until he got used to it. Even then, it would likely still suit Max better, meaning Lando would look foolish driving it. They built that car around Max, and it has paid off, but it has also cost a few drivers their reputations, and in some cases their careers.
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My observations are more on the community than the race...
- This community was amazing this weekend. I was quite active in /r/formula1 and was apprehensive about a race weekend without them. But I don't feel like I missed anything being here instead. News about major developments got posted here, and the discussion was great. If other race weekends are this active, this is my new f1 home without doubt.
- Moderation was great, warning people about stuff that's gonna be against the rules next week, while being chill about the fact that they're not finalized and everything was clear but just real non-confrontational. Thanks mods.
- I thought a single discussion post for the weekend would be ok, but for me it wasn't. I was lost in the main thread by the time qualy started and struggling to find new comments or figure out what session a comment-chain was about. It significantly hampered my ability to follow things and I contributed less to the discussion thread as a result. In a change from my take when we were planning last week, I'm now strongly in favor of per-session discussion threads plus a post-race thread like this one. If the modbot situation isn't clear to the moderation team within a couple weeks of Lemmy v18 coming out, I'm willing to pitch in here to get a bot that can schedule posts for us in advance. With the big API changes coming in v18 of Lemmy, I don't think there's much point in trying to get it sorted prior to then. It's likely that any bot that works in v17 will be broken on v18, so I think we just get it going once all the modteam's instances are upgraded to v18.
It's interesting you should say this, as my impression of the sub was the it was dead! I imagine this is a teething issue for the fediverse but when I looked there was no race thread, so I started one! Now I look at Top - Week and see a whole bunch of stuff I never spotted before.
Very weird.
It was dead 2w ago, but really came alive this weekend. If you were missing posts after they were made, check your language settings and make sure BOTH eng and undefined are selected (or nothing selected seems to work ok as well). Overly restrictive language limits can hide lots of posts that don't specify language.
I took over this sub 16 days ago, when we had 36 users /month. Now we have 10x that and close to 3000 members.
The growth in the last two weeks has been insane.
Thanks for the shout out in your original comment. With any luck I'll be getting the rules set up later today. I'll make a post when I do. So far so good though, the general behaviour in this community has been great.
Such a great effort for Albon... easy DotD, and huge for Williams in the lower WCC battle. Hope it's a sign that the Williams upgrades are decent & we may see more of it.
Russell cracked under the pressure of trying to stay on the back of Alonso... absolutely insane that the car almost finished the race after that hit... I was surprised it finished the lap! F1 cars are made of strong stuff these days.
Max mega as ever... ominous that Newey appears to be fully invested in F1 again after a few years where he seemed to drift away.
It feels like we see Alex getting great things out of the car, even when we aren't at low downforce tracks like this one. Hopefully when we go to Monza he'll have another chance to earn big points.
I think Max has really benefitted from an extended stretch of having the best car under him. Just having the confidence in the car seems to have taken him to a whole new level. This whole season he has just carried himself like a true champion.
kudos to Albon and Williams 👍 👍
Just realized Max had a bird in his break duct for a portion of the race. Did they mention it during the broadcast?
Good strategy from Ferrari? The end times are nigh
The strategy was scary! Maybe with Meckies off to a new team someone else is getting a say
I think they used all the bad choices with sainz… although I can’t blame them, a race here with no SC was really an oddity.
I enjoyed the race. Being honest Max was on his own race as usual, but not that far.
The fight ALO-HAM was very intense, many many laps doing qualy laps each other and putting pressure on the rival. ALO managed the gap brilliantly IMO given the circumstances (lift&coast)
Ferrari's dice was right in this race 😄 Very good and consistent race pace, just marginally slower than podium cars on a diferent strategy. Kudos to them.
Albon: Driver of the Day on merit.
Plenty of action in the race despite the DRS trains
I'm glad to see that the gap between RB and the competition is slowly closing. Maybe it was a one off, maybe they expected rain all weekend and went with a setup that favors stability over performance, maybe it was a dead bird, maybe Aston's and Merc's upgrades really work.
Ferrari took a gamble and DID NOT FUCK UP. That was a refreshing change of pace, especially after being in full Ferrari fuck up mode all weekend (all year so far?).
The battle between Alonso and Hamilton was epic, as were the ones behind Albon who held onto his spot by sheer will and raw pace.
De Vries being De Vries, taking himself and K-Mag out on an open online lobby divebomb...
All in all, a great race :D
I’m glad to see that the gap between RB and the competition is slowly closing.
Well... there was a dead bird in the break duct of Verstappen, so I don't think they are closing the gap.
I mean, that bird certainly closed a gap :')
Did anyone check to see if the bird had a Mercedes logo on it?
I can’t understand how Perez just couldn’t compete with Ferrari’s pace at all. Not his best circuit.
Favorite moment was Alonso's pit telling him Hamilton was just 1.9s behind. "Okay, leave it to me." And then suddenly it was a 6 second gap.
What the heck happened with Checo? He should have had a podium, but just got lost in a DRS train I guess?
It seems like he's just lost confidence or something... he's not in the all time greats category but he should be able to push a little harder
He was also lacking pace. Before he pit for fastest lap, the gap between him and Sainz was biggest gap among the top 6 cars
GG Albon would be my driver of the day. Good to see Williams not running at the back.
Great race. Loved those last lap moves from Norris, Ocon and Stroll. Well deserved DotD for Albon. Feeling bad for Tsunoda though, that 6.4 pit stop was painful to see.
Decent race. Ferrari finally pulled off 5Head strategy, great recovery run by them.
Admired by Norris's last attempts, just wished he made it for the heck of it.
I love Lando but tbh I was confused by that one 😂 he was never going to outrun the penalty. Looked like he just wanted to take out Ocon for the lols.
I want Lando in the second Red Bull seat. Imagine Max Verstappen having a teammate with balls.
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I love that Albon and Williams 100% played to their cars strengths, and nobody seemed to have an answer for it!
We need to add Alex to the 'tyre whisperer' club. It's one thing to stay ahead of that DRS train, it's another do so when his tyres were so old. I'm so happy to have Albon in the sport. It's a shame Williams aren't in a place yet to have a good second driver, who could also pull shit like this.
It isn't some giant secret; they are super fast on the straights so followers with drs can't get alongside, and are "fast enough" (but slow comparatively) in the corners that nobody can get past them.
We see this pattern from them in every race; they always lead a long drs train, with the car in front of them tens of seconds ahead.
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But what did Lando do though?
My understanding is that he slowed down on the race track leading up to pit entry so that McLaren could double-stack him after Piastri. It's against the rules to deliberately go slow and impede like that.
@WatTyler makes sense, but its sad that it wasn’t covered in the broadcast
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