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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

These changes are only applicable to users in the EEA. For those outside the region, Windows will continue to function as it is!

The changes to Windows for DMA-compliance include:

  • You can now uninstall Edge and Bing web search using the built-in settings. Earlier, the option was greyed out.
  • Third-party web search application developers can now utilize the Windows search box in the taskbar using the instructions provided by Microsoft and choose any web browser to show results from the web.
  • Microsoft will no longer sign-in users to Edge, Bing, and Microsoft Start services during the initial Windows setup experience.
  • Data collected about the functioning of non-Microsoft apps, primarily bug detection and its effects on the OS, from Windows PCs will not be used for competitive purposes.
  • Microsoft, from now on, will need explicit user consent before combining data from the OS and other sources. It will also deliver new consent screens where required.
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[-] waigl@lemmy.world 334 points 4 months ago

About 20 years ago, Microsoft was found guilty and convicted, because they forced their browser on their users, driving out competitors by abusing their de facto monopoly on PC operating systems. These days, they are doing the exact same thing again, just on an even broader base. I don't even understand how this verdict took so long.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 112 points 4 months ago

It makes perfect sense once you understand that regulators have only cared about stock prices for the last 40 years. The EU coming down on giant corporations is a new development

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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 32 points 4 months ago

The fucking sad thing is, when they did it 20 years ago Internet Explorer became the gold standard. Now they are pushing super hard, annoying users, killing competition and they have a tiny market share. They aren't getting anywhere, just being assholes because they don't know how not to be.

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[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 194 points 4 months ago

Me for the rest of the week:

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 66 points 4 months ago

Is you regional settings set to a European country?

(by the way, life pro tip, setting your region to a European country solves a ton of issues people have with Windows, most complaints I see I never had a problem with even though I live in Canada, my settings are set to UK)

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 months ago

Interesting that setting your location to the UK gets you EU protections. Do the EU protections apply in the UK? They Brexited didn't they?

[-] kevincox@lemmy.ml 34 points 4 months ago

IIUC when they separated they basically ended up with a snapshot of EU regulations. So most of GDPR applies. But IDK if the DMA will apply as it was created after they split.

[-] viking@infosec.pub 24 points 4 months ago

Yeah you better set it to Ireland or Malta to get full EU conformity.

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 175 points 4 months ago

Microsoft now permits

The benevolence! Letting people do what they want with their purchased software. wow!

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[-] eighthourlunch@kbin.social 123 points 4 months ago

This ought to happen everywhere. Either I'm the admin on my machine or I'm not. If it's not, I'm not sure how much longer I'll tolerate a Windows machine.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 140 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

PSA: Once this rolls out into the actual downloadable Windows builds, everyone should be able to do this by reinstalling Windows.

European Economic Area PCs

As noted above, some functionality is only available in the EEA. Windows uses the region chosen by the customer during device setup to identify if the PC is in the EEA. Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.

[-] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Can we get THIS fucking comment on the front page please? Outstanding work, friend! Sincere thanks!

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[-] watcher@nopeeking.link 107 points 4 months ago

But I thought this was a crucial part of the operating system?!

[-] MP3Martin@programming.dev 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Internet Explorer system stuff is still there, the difference is that when it launches as a normal browser, it automatically opens Edge instead of IE. (iirc)

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[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It is, specifically MS Edge WebView. For example new MS Teams and new Outlook client are using WebView. Widgets are using it as well as do many other things.

This uninstall will most likely still keep Edge present, it will just be somehow hidden / not as easily accessible.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 96 points 4 months ago

EU regulation continues to be the only thing making big tech's shitty products somewhat usable. First USB-C, now this.

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[-] le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works 93 points 4 months ago

So where are the people saying edge couldn’t be uninstalled because it’s a core part of the system that other element depended upon. I swear I have seen this answer on every reddit post about uninstalling edge, yet Microsoft show its absolutely possible (although only in Europe, because dependencies don’t work the same in Europe 😂).

[-] root@precious.net 37 points 4 months ago

That's what they said about Internet Explorer right up until the moment where Microsoft wanted everyone to switch to Edge. Not only could you suddenly uninstall it, but it even started uninstalling itself!

Funny how that happens

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[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Protip: Microsoft uses social media manipulation to shape public opinion. Some of those people claiming that were on a payroll.

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[-] glasgitarrewelt@feddit.de 80 points 4 months ago

Who puts up with this shit anyway? Go buy an Apple. You can eat it while installing Linux.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago

This need to be applied to smartphones

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 4 months ago

Imagine phones coming with a clean Android with the ability to install Google Play Services like a normal app 😌.

And documention to port other operating systems or new Android versions.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

You just described GrapheneOS, by far the best mobile operating system IMO

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago

It takes the EU to force Microsoft to act reasonable.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

And they will ONLY act reasonable when forced.

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

– and only in the EU. Sorry Britain.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago

These changes are only applicable to users in the EEA. For those outside the region, Windows will continue to function as it is!

You misspelled "Windows will continue to be as fucked up as it is!"

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[-] Moopinger@infosec.pub 56 points 4 months ago

Props to EU keeping these assholes in check

[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 51 points 4 months ago

Great news. Although it's bizarre that it took an entire continent passing a new law to get to this point.

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[-] orosus@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

Does this EU's Digital Markets Act also applies for Android and all the preinstalled apps by Google and the phone manufacturer?

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[-] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 months ago

''Software you can't uninstall'' should not be a thing.

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[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

Lol didn't we do this 20 years ago?

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 28 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but Microsoft liked living on the edge

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago

Great! Now please also make manufacturers give us the option to uninstall/change webview & other such services on android devices.

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[-] woodenskewer@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

how about fucking autopilot too instead of having to find a registry to disable it.

Edit: I'm dumb and don't know what I was even being mad at. I should have said copilot, that’s what I actually meant. I didn’t realize autopilot was a thing.

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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 months ago

Meh, I purged windows from my systems last month. I will never be forced to (re)install Edge, use the garbage search, or link my pc to a gd Microsoft account again. I've had enough of Microsofts bullshit.

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[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

One drive is the one that really ruffles my feathers.

It turns itself back on randomly, which wouldn’t be too much of a problem except for that it fucking remaps the desktop.. a file that was previously located at C:\user\desktop\ is now at C:\user\One Drive\desktop…

Note the space in the path, they didn’t even have the decency to use an underscore… \one_drive\… even though it’s one of their own rules in powershell scripting.

For those of us using powershell to automate stuff this remapping is a nightmare and should be illegal.

Too bad I am in the US and will just have to continue to get support calls from time to time when a users desktop gets remapped behind the scenes.

Maybe there is a way using powershell and windows scheduled tasks to check to see if one drive turned itself back on, then auto turn it off and remap the desktop back to normal.

The absurdity of having windows check to see if windows screwed itself up, then if so have it fix itself is just laughable.

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[-] lightnegative@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Being able to uninstall OneDrive is a game changer. That thing annoys me so much

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[-] revisable677@feddit.de 22 points 4 months ago

Finally! Always glad to see the EU forcing Tech Giants to be user friendly

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[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

Is this option only available in the EU for EU citizens?

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 52 points 4 months ago

What a coincidence we all just moved to the EU

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still not switching to windows

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

How do you know a linux user?

Dont' worry, they'll tell you.

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