Electric stroves are common in Germany. Probably 95 % of the people have one. We don't have nuclear power plants and we still have a stable grid ;-) just sayin'.
I live in the US and I've never been in a house or apartment with a gas stove. Maybe they're more common up north where they use gas for heating.
They're pretty common in more rural areas. My parents live rural California and they lose power for at least a week every year. A gas stove is a must.
They're very common in the north east. I think I've lived in more places with gas stoves than electric.
We don’t have nuclear power plants and we still have a stable grid ;-)
Yeah you burn coal, idk why you had to mention nuclear when their issue is that their grid is horrendously mantained becasue of greedy corporations.
So does Australia with its lobbied mining industry. Also Germany is close to reaching 50% renewables, surpassing Australia in their emission goals by at least several years
Cool I guess. Nuclear is clean energy though. Anyway, this discussion is quite off the rails of the original comment chain, which is why I mentioned the need to mention nuclear when it was quite irrelevant to the conversation.
Cool I guess. Doesn't matter cause at the end of the day, electric stoves (esp induction) are still far superior to gas and definitely do not break the grid as above article claims.
You also have a 99% literacy rate and invest heavily in your education sector.
And the chucklefucks on local Facebook groups are gonna eat this shit up.
I'll be changing from gas to induction in October. Excited to get this gas stove behind me with all the known health risks, but kinda nervous as someone who cooks a ton to learn induction. But everyone seems to love it so I'm sure it'll be a fine transition.
Induction stoves are great to cook with, I'd say they are better than gas for almost everything. Probably a wok is the only one most people will have an issue with, and having been stuck with an old electric coil stove in the past and managing to make decent stir-frys I really don't think that moving to a flat bottomed wok on an induction stove should be a deal breaker.
Induction is way better. You'll learn to use it in less than 5 minutes. The responsiveness is way faster, and depending on your stove, much easier to set levels too.
Here's a crash course in using an induction stove: it make metal hot
The problem may be with my wok
How have left-leaning people in the media (or corporations, neither left or right, for that matter) not figured out how to harness the ease at which conservatives will turn on a product or technology based on who the messenger was? Seems so easy to intentionally manipulate.
Like the gas stove shit (in the US). How simple was it for Fox News, etc., to get millions of people who had no opinion on gas stoves whatsoever minutes earlier, to suddenly be willing to die to preserve their right to own gas stoves against some faceless enemy who is, in their addled minds, coming to their home to forcibly take their stoves away? To have them turn an apolitical scientific /medical discovery into a wedge issue overnight? Similarly with Bud Lite... Soooo easy to manipulate these people's opinions/brand preferences/etc.
There has to be a way to harness that power for good... Like, can we convince them that entering voting machines turn you trans or some shit?
Someone much smarter and more media savvy than I should be doing something like this.
Edit: apologies for the USA- centric references, still getting used to checking what instance I'm on before commenting. Regardless, I think the overall point stands.
Also, seems like corporations have figured it out to a point since this article itself is about gas company lobbying.
Where are the leftists with these tactics? Are we all collectively just too ethical for that kind of dirty shit?
I agree it would be good to be able to harness this sort of BS tactic, but I think part of the problem is that the people who generally use these tactics just don't give a shit about what's true. The other thing is that conservative groups and businesses tend to have a lot more money and control over media platforms that left wing groups do, so it's much easier to spread their message.
Like the gas stove shit (in the US). How simple was it for Fox News, etc., to get millions of people who had no opinion on gas stoves whatsoever minutes earlier, to suddenly be willing to die to preserve their right to own gas stoves against some faceless enemy who is, in their addled minds, coming to their home to forcibly take their stoves away?
You already pointed it out, you just aren't quite touching on the difference. These conservative morons (the ones being fed, not the ones preaching the message) are quite gullible and short-sighted. They operate on emotion, not reason.
The reason Left-leaning people aren't susceptible to such rhetoric is because they're more in control of their faculties. We may get worked up and emotional. We may fall victim to bad information. But we aren't driven entirely by the id.
ETA: Capitalism is built on lies. Tobacco industry lied for decades. Fossil fuel industry has lied for decades. Muskrat has lied for a long time, but I don't know how long (and don't care to check).
I wasn't referring to leftists falling for it.
What I meant is that people on the left should be using these tactics against the same conservatives, because they've proven how gullible they are, to get them to do the opposite of what they'd normally do.
Like getting them to buy electric vehicles because they saw something on Facebook that told them that liberals are actually claiming now that they're worse for the environment than internal combustion.
Or, because they're so scientifically illiterate and incurious, we can convince them that bacteria and antibiotics are a liberal hoax so they go out of their way to give themselves life threatening bacterial infections.
Like I said, someone smarter than me can figure it out...
I guess corporations can do it much easier because they have basically endless resources.
The problem is that leftists care about such petty things as "the truth" and "integrity".
Where are the leftists with these tactics? Are we all collectively just too ethical for that kind of dirty shit?
Well for one thing in Australia they're not trying to reduce the voter turnout, because failing to show up at the polling booth on election day is a crime in this country (you don't have to vote... but you do have to turn up at the polling booths, or use one of the alternatives available for people who can't do that).
I wish solar panels were more affordable
I wish apartment dwellers could even get solar panels
I have space on the deck of my apartment that could fit a small array but without subsidies i've calculated it will take decades to pay off.
Consider sourcing your electricity from green generators and at the same time investing in them. It’s not exactly the same, but perhaps similar enough for you.
I got a quote yesterday for panels on my roof (in the US). $43,000. Fucking ludicrous
Here in South Australia, we paid $4000 all up for our 6.6 kW solar system just a few years ago. System price was $7600 and we got $3600 back from the STC rebate thingy.
Jesus Christ we paid like 9k for our 10kw system. Woulda been 14 without subsidies/STCs
They are quite cheap in Australia, especially combined with subsidies.
I am queensland, I have never seen a gas stove. We seem to be doing fine.
Ditto to Tasmanians
It might be true in Texas
Only in texas
Or California or New York or Pennsylvania or or or.
Texas is the only US state that I have seen with a power grid that seems to fail exactly when it's needed most
I had no power for 5 days in the last ice storm. Luckily I still had gas, which mean warm water and showers, as well as the ability to cook on my gas stove.
but you should not of had to. had texas maintained and upgraded their grid it wouldve handled the cold just fine.
That's all fine and dandy but I don't have control over what Texas power companies do.
Getting rid of gas, just because, is dumb imho
people dont want to get rid of gas stoves "just because". people want to get rid of gas stoves because they are linked to causing health issues and help to global warming.
Cooking indoors on gas with no ventilation? Seems like a bad plan
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