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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

I see it’s massive still, really tired of this vehicle the size of a bus trend

[-] HedonismB0t@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, and the weight of that behemoth means a tiny fender bender accident will do massive damage to everything involved. Wouldn't be surprised if you could total itself with a 10mph impact.

E: spelling

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

stupid arms race of feeling safer by being in bigger cage + policy that benefit utility vehicles as they have lenient fuel efficiency requirements

[-] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

It's an Escalade, half the appeal is for idiots who want the largest possible vehicle

[-] littlewonder@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you! Me too! I would love a decent market of subcompacts to choose from but it's so barren in the US and imports are $$$$$.

I can't believe they discontinued the Smart Car and there wasn't another successor ready to take over its share of consumers.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How else am I going to get my family and my fat ass to Costco to get all my bulk foods and a pizza on my way out the door to save me multiple trips to different stores? Duh.

[-] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe I'm the odd man out but my car is tiny and I've never gotten anywhere near enough groceries to run out of space

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Obviously a joke. Take it or leave it.

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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

Oh great. Another gigantic SUV. Surely what the world needs most at this point in time.

[-] sylvain@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It's an electric vehicle, why such a big front? There is no gas engine in it.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

To assert dominance and also have plausible deniability when you run someone over

[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Crumple zones. I hate the look, too, but front impact crumple zones are very important, especially in such a monstrously sized vehicle. I just wish they could have sloped it to give better forward visibility.

[-] prey169@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Probably has a drunk which ends up being super helpful during road trips etc because you can pack the same without blocking the rear window

[-] raptir@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Frunk. The drunk goes ~~behind the wheel~~ in the passenger seat.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It’s an Escalade, the day drunk wino will definitely be driving

[-] darharrison@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

This is gonna be stupid heavy. My Toyota Avalon is 3,638lbs and would just get pulverized in anything more than a parking lot fender bender. For reference, the current-generation Escalade can weigh up to 6,217lbs and the Hummer EV, which the Escalade IQ might be based off of, is 9,063lbs (as mentioned in the article). This thing is going to kill people.

[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

9,063lbs

lol 4 ton? In my country you'd need a commercial truck driving license for that thing

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

And a 55 inch touch screen. So stupid. Make simple efficient EVs and you'll sell millions.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Someone at GM finally realized this and un-canceled the Bolt. Still waiting for VW to wake up and ship the ID3 in North America.

[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think VW, or any German Car brand for that matter, really wants to sell small (electric) vehicles anymore.

VW desperately wants to cancel the Up! in Europe in favour of SUVs, BMW cancelled the i3 a long time ago and only introduced either EV land yachts or giant EV SUVs since then. Mercedes just launched a new Smart EV (which is actually a Geely) but it's not exactly small.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I want the EV equivalent of a 1983 GTI: Practical, fun, cheap, simple

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Market says otherwise. Automakers aren’t eliminating compact and sub compact models because they sell a ton of them.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They don’t make them, how can you seek what you don’t make? They purposefully made less of them and said no one bought them so we’ll keep making giant (expensive) SUVs instead, plus those are easier to make due to the more lenient rules on large “utility” vehicle emissions

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Your assertion is that they stopped making models that were successful in order to force people to buy models that would otherwise not be popular?

You know this sounds crazy, right?

[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

US vehicle size is currently driven by broken EPA rules regarding emissions per wheelbase which strongly encourages larger vehicles. It seems to be affecting EVs as well, but not sure why.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The forced people to buy models that could pass emissions regulations easier, which meant less r&d for few models that didn’t get much change, and they happened to be able to charge more due to size as well. Win/win/win for everyone other than all the dead kids that got ran over because Karen’s and Kyle’s can’t see past the football field of a hood and the grill is 5.5 feet tall

[-] weew@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

"I want a Hummer EV, but it just isn't ostentatious enough."

[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

SUVs are popular because they have emissions exemptions.. Car makers, you don't have to push this garbage anymore with electrics. Just let it go, man.

[-] QHC@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's ridiculous. SUVs are popular for multiple reasons.

[-] raptir@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

A 200kWh battery pack to get 450 miles of quoted range. 2.25mi/kWh. I understand it's competing for the attention of people who would otherwise buy a gas Escalade, but that's still a little crazy.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Isn't it normal to have between 15-20km/KWh, that's 4-5 times less efficient. Our car obsession is showing how wasteful we are.

Not to mention that if this tank goes into an accident, the force experienced by the passengers in the other car would be a couple of times higher compared to the force experienced in the passengers of the IQ, practically making this a road kill machine.

[-] raptir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, not at all that high. A typical EV gets around 3-4 mi/kWh, which is about 4-6.5km.

[-] BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

For comparison, 1 gallon of gas is 33.7 kwh of energy, so 3m/kwh is 3*33.7 = 101.1 mpge

So the numbers look low, but they're certainly not low in comparison.

[-] raptir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Eh, that's a bit disingenuous in terms of consumer cost though. Where I live, gas is $3.90 per gallon and electricity is $0.19 per kWh. That puts gas at $0.11 per kWh. That still puts the Escalade IQ at 58mpg, but it's getting awfully close to some (admittedly much smaller) hybrids. And that's not to mention that that's the price for home charging - public charging is closer to $0.40 per kWh. That still puts it around half the cost per mile of a gas Escalade.

With a starting price of $50k more than the gas model you're talking 300,000 miles to break even (assuming 100% home charging).

[-] BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My comment wasn't necessarily addressing cost as opposed to how to calculate efficiency. Cost gets much weirder. Nobody can accurately determine the price that anyone else pays for electricity unlike gas, because solar and time of usage exists not to mention the percentage of time home charging comes into play. Washington Post ran a pretty good article on this recently.

Either way ignoring cost, the EV will always be more efficient. That doesn't mean it will always be cheaper.

[-] raptir@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, but if we want the typical consumer to choose an EV over an ICE then it would need to be cheaper.

[-] BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're stating a different point that I'm making. I'm consistently saying "I'm not talking about price", then you go back to price. The initial OP stated that the car obsession is showing it's wasteful, because it consumes a ton of resources. Someone corrected the OPs understanding of the average efficiency of electric cars. I provided the EPA agreed-upon conversion of MPG -> MPGe. You then decided that efficiency = cost. It's not.

Yes, for most use-cases an electric car will be cheaper; you can read about that here. There are some use-cases today where it won't be. But it wasn't the point of my post. Whether or not it's always cheaper, using an EV Escalade vs a gas Escalade will always be more efficient.

[-] ScoobyDoo27@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

24 inch wheels? Jesus Christ, get ready to spend half the value of the car on tires every few years.

[-] freecandy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Right? I imagine people who own this thing dont give a fuck about that tho

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The car itself is 130k, I doubt these people care or know what the wheels cost, as they have people for that.

[-] anthoniix@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just kill me

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Called the Escalade IQ, Cadillac has gone all-out, fitting this one with a monster battery that stores enough energy to propel this behemoth 450 miles (724 km) before it needs plugging in.

It's a clean-sheet design that uses GM's new Ultium battery platform and, in this case, the company's  architecture shared by the forthcoming Chevrolet Silverado EV, among others.

There's a definite family theme shared with the other Cadillac EVs, the $60,000 Lyriq and the $340,000 Celestiq; like those cars the Escalade IQ—which starts around $130,000—uses lights to create a grille-like appearance at the front without the aero drag, and features a blanked-off D pillar.

Any doubts we're talking about a very heavy car should be dispelled when you find out the battery pack has a capacity of 200 kWh—the same as the 9,063-lb (4,110 kg) GMC Hummer EV.

The pack uses a nickel cobalt manganese aluminum chemistry, and like the Hummer EV it has a party trick where it can fast-charge at 800 V despite running at 400 V.

For a more luxurious approach for fewer passengers, the Escalade IQ can be specced with a second row that features reclining seats and fold-out tray tables.


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[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Electric SUVs are no better than gas trucks. The weight and shape of the vehicle require an unsustainable amount of energy. Furthermore, they give rich people the moral validation that keeps them trashing the planet with a good conscience.

[-] mezzfit@zerobytes.monster 4 points 1 year ago

I still don't think I've ever seen a decent human being driving an Escalade...

[-] haulyard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Are you seriously forced to use Google?

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