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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 1 month ago

No JIT so performance will be limited, however, a massive step forward for sure.

[-] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 1 month ago

How can it virtualize/emulate without JIT? I’m aware of what JIT is in the context of programming languages, but I’m having trouble understanding how you can virtualize something without JIT.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 1 month ago

To convert one processor architecture to another, instead of translating it into code of the correct architecture, you can also simply perform the operation in the loop by interpreting each instruction as it is encountered.

It’s the same distinction between a JIT and An interpreter. You can convert the code in chunks which is more efficient, or you can read the instructions one at the time and perform the corresponding operation.

Apple does not allow JIT of any form from third-party developers to my knowledge.

[-] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 1 month ago

Wow, I didn’t realize Apple was that serious. I always thought their stance was not wanting Node.js, Python, etc. (interpreted languages) running, not necessarily this.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

You can ship Python in an iOS app just fine. It's dynamic code generation that is specifically disallowed, among other rules.

[-] notthebees@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

iirc they allow it in wasm, but that's about it

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that code still technically runs as part of the browser, which is Apple code that is specially allowed to use JIT. The third-party code itself isn't the JIT.

[-] wreleven@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

Test it out today. The limitations are apparent. Without the JIT it's noticeable on my iPad compared to my mac. I actually thought it wasn't working - turns out it was just sssuuuuppppeerrrr slow. Happy to support its development though. I'd love to be able to run my development environment on my iPad one day.

[-] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

I have a functional version of Windows 95 on my phone now, so that’s neat. XP setup was too slow and I got impatient.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

How well does it run Half Life Alyx on the Apple Vision Pro?

[-] B0rax@feddit.de 6 points 1 month ago

This emulator, without JIT, struggles to run windows XP. Let alone anything newer than that.

So no Half Life Alyx anytime soon. Maybe the original Half Life.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Why is JIT not being allowed in the app store?

[-] B0rax@feddit.de 3 points 1 month ago

Apple only allows JIT for development. Why? Only Apple knows.

[-] dwt@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Yep. I actually hate that.

[-] Rexios@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

That wouldn’t work even if you could get a modern OS to run well

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I like the direction Apple is going in. Probably not surprising given that their competitors (Microsoft and Google) make Shittier products every year, so they can try to get some consumers to switch that normally wouldn't consider Apple products.

[-] B0rax@feddit.de 14 points 1 month ago

To be fair: they didn’t start going this direction voluntarily, which I really hate.

They did not recognize that these things (like USB-C, alternate AppStores (and in Extension allowing emulation as people would more likely to jump on the other AppStores without it), …) would be helpful for them…

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