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When trying to explain the us/israel relationship I always get hung up on this part, which is the most immediate experience people in western countries have with the conflict. Were people getting fired for voicing mild criticism of apartheid south africa at work?

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it's a weird rhetorical trick to wrap people's heads around, it's US repression against US citizens for opposing US policy, it's all coming from inside the house. but because it's posed as support for 'another state' people's nationalist wires get crossed. i've got to wonder if the state intentionally designed their rhetoric this way or just accidentally fell into it from the antisemites propagating israel-as-controller narratives.

but maybe it'd be easy to explain by historical allusion: no one would take seriously the idea that South Vietnam was orchestrating US aid & deployments to itself or directing US troops to kill college students in the US. the illusion of Israel's freedom of action can be analyzed in the details today but even the overwhelming media perception of its independence will be swept away with time, just like the idea 'South Vietnam' was a real country the US was simply helping out

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The domestic recession isn't bad for the capital class, in fact they are doing great- we just had One of the greatest wealth transfers to the rich ever.. Also South Africa (region and country) is/was not an integral part of American foreign policy, hence why Zimbabwe and Angola were allowed to fall to communist revolution. Israel though was for the longest time America's only (useful) ally in the region- Egypt, Iraq, Lybia, and Syria were all Baathist and more or less anti west, Turkey only cared about defending against Soviet invasion, Iran was being Iran, and the house of Saud were/are subjects to the Wahhabi movement.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but I think you misread "repression" as "recession".

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

You're right, totally did

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